dayman

He isn't wrong about the Jets but most division have their version of the Jets. Carolina and Jacksonville instantly come to mind...Oakland...etc....

Well the good news is it looks like Fred will never stop.

Rice would be good for us, and he's going to play for someone.

We have 3 of the top 7 on the sack list. No other team has 2. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/defense/sort/sacks 1Justin Houston, LBKC 13.0 2Elvis Dumervil, LBBAL 12.5 3 Connor Barwin, LBPHI 12.5 4Mario Williams, DEBUF 12.0 5Von Miller, LBDEN14 10.0 6 Marcell Dareus, DTBUF 10.0 7Jerry Hughes, DEBUF 9.5

Yup. PLEASE GOD let us lock this front in. The money doesn't even really matter. It would the first true identity the franchise has had in a very long time....

I would consider Kiko for a 10 ten pick if we resigned Spikes. You have to at least consider stuff like that.

Yup just saw the Jets v. Bills graphic. We are, indeed, golden.

Just showing a directtv symbol. I'm getting nervous. Please tell me it is doing that for you also....

Ej has roughly 4 decent games in career. The rest is bad and in spots horrid. He's put up single digit QBR twice (winning one of them...to show how useless it is to talk about wins). He was holding the team back and losing games all by himself at the end there and it was depressing the entire offense. The WRs had basically given up on life 4 games into the season b/c they obviously are in a unique position to know when it is truly hopeless.

I mean this is the real issue to debate. Is it really? I don't know what you would have to do as a young QB to fail spectacularly if EJ didn't. It really just comes down to some fans will give 2/3 years no matter what even if it is terrible. Don't forget, the players made it known Kyle was an upgrade. They weren't in revolt but they had terrible body language after many of EJ's throws towards the end. I mean, don't you guys remember how bad it was?

Asked and expected are different things. And as I said almost all fail, it is about how you fail. EJ has failed spectacularly. I'm not in any way saying he has to be rookie Cam/RGIII/Luck etc. I'm saying he has to show he can throw. He's played enough games to prove it will never be a strength.

The article says he will act crazy again and create more problems. I doubt he would. He's immature and obnoxious but I get the impression this whole thing, having gotten to this level, would cause him to at least pretend to be civilized for the duration of his career.

Sums up why I'm done with EJ perfectly. He just doesn't have the arm talent and you can see it. Also, it's not like he's showing signs of grasping defenses either...nor was he asked to do much at FSU. Honestly, based on how he operated at FSU, I think he was somewhat surprised when the NFL asked him to go out and win the game throwing as a QB--right now. Almost all rookies that are lucky enough to start are asked to do that...most fail...but it's about how you fail. You can't fail in the way where fans think you can't throw.

I just can't think of an example where a QB that had huge accuracy problems early became a good passer. I would love to hear a few, and I know guys improve...but they don't really learn how to throw on the job. There's a lot that goes into being a QB but that doesn't make the act of throwing any less important, the best QBs are usually really gifted at throwing great balls.

I really don't mean to be a dick or go on a rant. I would simply point to having serious accuracy problems and serious decision-making problems at the same time. I know he's young, I've seen a lot of young QBs. EJ is a bad young QB, by young QB standards.

So now that Orton's reality has hit us it is time to forget what EJ is like when he's in there? It takes about 2 months of sitting the bench to become the popular backup in Buffalo? C'mon, just b/c Orton isn't Peyton doesn't mean it is time to forget what EJ is like. At least Orton has shown he is capable of running a passing game.

I haven't given up on being able to win with what I think Orton can give us over immediate short-term. If we put him in a good situation, he can give us competent QB including the deep ball. He will likely fail if he has to carry us and he'll never give us confidence against good teams...but he could get it done. EJ can give us nothing now, and I'm sorry but it is obvious he can give us nothing long-term. I'm sorry but he's trash...in a way that even young QBs are not able to get away with.

I really would not mind McDaniels. I'm willing to forget Tebow and Denver and just accept that him being so plugged into NE and their winning ways and their offensive tendencies would be a huge hire for us. Especially if you could keep Shwartz. He isn't the most exciting guy...but for our particular situation it is hard to think of a better fit that we could potentially get. He's offense. He's young. It's possible. He's in a perfect position to help us beat NE.

I am upset with his performance lately. The entire scenario has been really depressing. However, Orton's ceiling ... if he can put together 2 or 3 stretches of really good football over the next 2 years...is better than anything else we are likely to get. So I haven't given up on possibly winning with him either, but it isn't like I'm excited. As for EJ, I have definitely given up on him. Although I wouldn't disagree with putting him once the math says we're out...for some reason. Just to confirm the bust more or less so we don't deal with any fragments of doubt.

I would also like to know the answer to this. Just for fun here are some lists of teams that drafted various positions top 10 over the same period of time I did the WRs above: QB: jax, ind, was, mia, car, ten, jax, stl, det, nyj, atl, oak OT: was, sea, stl, cin, jax, mia, cle, ari DE: hou, mia, det, cle, sf, kc, stl, nyj, jax, tb, atl DB: cle, nyj, dal, tb, buf, ari, kc, cle, was Just tons of superbowl rings for these teams. Tons. BTW having looked at the players on the filter as I ran those searches ... WR is looking like one of the single best positions to take top 10. Way better than QB anyway. Better than almost every position IMO.

That is a ridiculous question to ask. This exact same argument could be made to say that drafting in the top generally is terrible thing to do. You know why? Because the teams who have consistent success never do. Those are great football players. Period.

Since '07 Sammy Watkins Mike Evans Tavon Austin Justin Blackmon AJ Green Julio Jones Darrius Heyward-Bey Michael Crabtree Calvin Johnson Ted Ginn I would say the majority of those guys are big time. I think it can be argued that, at this point, those players I underlined are the signature players for their team. That's half.

I think if we didn't grab Sammy....the Bucs end up with him one way or another and we get Mike Evans. Given the way Evans has looked...Evans + #10ish is better than Sammy (and that isn't a knock on Sammy btw). I still stand by the Sammy trade though. We all knew what we gave up...there was always going to be one or more "what-if-instead-of-Sammy scenarios" that would be good looking back. The point is, we secured Sammy. You can't complain. We'll have him for a while. It was a good thing.

I think it is fair to say the Bills are as marketable as they've been in quite some time. This roster could turn into a good team in the mind of a guy with a big enough ego to be a big shot head coach.

So what we have trainers giving out prescription drugs? Or we have doctors giving out the drugs while out of their geographic area despite being so for all of 24 hours and one their way back w/ the patient? Seems like a non-issue.