Rob's House

If you guys ever presented a position on the issue that wasn't full of misinformation and lies (not that I think you're a liar, just an ignoramus) you might have credibility with anyone who's at least minimally informed on the topic. If you ban something you're going to see a spike in sales. There was plenty of anti-slavery sentiment in the south and it was growing. A lot of slave owners opposed it but trying to operate a plantation without slaves at the time meant going out of business. But if it was made illegal all planters would be in the same position, and I believe that would have happened. The war may have expedited it's end, but at a high price. A price we're still paying today. On the flip side, without slavery and the war none of us would be here today so we can't be but so upset I guess.

Says the guy who makes an assertion then runs away pouting when challenged.

I think secession would have been just fine. If you think slavery would have continued on indefinitely the only thing you've got going for you is the luxury that no one can prove what might have been, but slavery was dying and did die out in the civilized world, and in most places without a war. And if you don't think the war and it's aftermath didn't exascerbate the racial tensions that persist today I think you don't know much about the topic. And !@#$ the union. Without it we wouldn't have a bunch of northeastern socialism shoved down our throats by same !@#$ing ass holes who claim righteous ground on the basis of freedom. And even if we're to accept your cartoon version of history, why aren't you campaigning for wars in the 3rd world where people are still enslaved?

Come to think of it, I may have been guilty of a few of the ones you listed on occasion. For me it wasn't the cussing, I usually found that amusing (I once had some crazy old guy ask me how much c*ck I had that day). I had the annoying customers (they really only made up about 20% of the customers) into 3 categories: !@#$s, morons, and talkers (the categories aren't mutually exclusive). The !@#$s just want to piss and moan and have no time for logic & reason because they didn't call for that. They're mad and want to take it out on someone whose only role to this point is being employed by the company they're pissed at. The real !@#$s insist on getting answers to impossible or irrelevant questions. If you're nice to them they often get even worse. You kind of have to put them in their place. These people suck. The morons are just as annoying but less infuriating. They just become frustrated because they lack the cognitive ability to understand all but the simplest of concepts, and sometimes struggle even with them. It's extremely frustrating trying to explain to one of these people how debits with corresponding credits offset. You can imagine how it gets when something complicated arises. Talkers - These mother!@#$ers made me want to eat my own brain. If ever I heard "I've been on the phone for over an hour" I knew why. 10 times out of 10 that's followed by a 15 minute uninterrupted rundown of a situation that I usually understood 10 seconds into the call. They turn a 5 minute call into a 30 minute call and have the audacity to think you took up all their time. These aren't necessarily bad people, but they were the bane of my existence. I'd rather deal with an !@#$ with a double digit IQ over a talker. At least I could get them off the damn phone.

Arguing with nerds on the internet about football and politics.

Anyone notice how no one evokes "Godwin's law" when some brain dead !@#$tard compares the confederate flag to a fukking swastika? It's interesting to me because anytime I see a legitimate comparison to Nazi Germany I can start counting the seconds until some mouth breathing moron misuses Godwin's law (it's misused almost as often as sour grapes is) but all of a sudden when a truly nonsensical comparison is being thrown around left and right those people seem to have disappeared. Perhaps that's because the people who are fond of misusing Godwin's law are fascists who don't like their ideology being accurately compared to Nazi Fascism.

I agree with you. I don't know to what end it was falsified, but the lawsuit and article focused mostly on the talking so that's what I was referring to.

Without getting too deep into it, the only thing I'd add is that the African slave trade had already been outlawed and slavery in general, which was not exclusive to the south or even to America, was falling out of favor in the west and would likely have ended by the turn of the century regardless of the war. Had that happened I think both blacks and whites would have ended up better off and without the racial tension that hangs around like herpes. This line of thought may have had merit at one time but that time has long since past. When people like you stoke the racial flames for whatever your reason (white guilt, to be one of "the good ones", ignorance, stupidity, or something else I haven't thought of) you're not helping anything "heal" and you're not helping black folks or white folks. You're just perpetuating the problem and making it worse. And do some research about how occasional anti-white crimes are. Just because the media highlights anything and everything that could possibly be construed as white on black violence and ignores it when it's the other way around, doesn't mean that's the reality of the situation. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-americans-are-biggest-terror-threat-u-s-study-n380931?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=286087e8a44bc73516c0825c60699e68 Anyone want to argue that NBC News would identify any other racial group like this?

I completely disagree. If we put hidden microphones in everyone's office and held everyone to this standard there's be millions of people out of work. Also, I've never liked the argument that anything short of the most stringent adherence to safety is worthy of harsh judgment. We do that to guys who have a few drinks and drive home, but if we really believed that bull **** we wouldn't have radios and CD players in cars. And I don't buy the increased professionalism requirement in the medical field either. You have increased responsibility with regard to confidentiality, but any responsibility not to make fun of their patients behind their backs (which is really what we're talking about here) exists only in your head.

Because now yankees are welcome to come down here at their leisure. Interesting methodology. Apparently anti-white sentiment doesn't count. The problem with all of this is that you're promoting the propaganda of the statists. Anyone who thinks Lincoln sent troops into the south to end slavery is an idiot and a fool. But if they sell it as such they legitimize the invasion and occupation of sovereign states. If they can make it about slavery it sells better than telling the truth - that it was about a government illegitimately maintaining power. To expound upon the concepts discussed earlier, and simplified to a point that Max Fischer might understand: Secession - Over slavery Invasion - Over Power Defense - Over Sovereignty.

For me it's a toss up between Spiller, SJ, and Chandler, but I give the edge to SJ because he looks to be an every down player catching passes from the best QB he will have played with. I could easily see a pro-bowl season from him.

We'll have to wait for Birdog to weigh in on this, but I'm afraid that might fall under his definition of minutia.

And if the punishment was suspension or losing her job it wouldn't bother me. And if she'd done something that legitimately and substantially threatened his health I'd be ok with it too. But it's a pretty !@#$ed up society that feels the need to destroy the livelihood of anyone they don't know who acted like an !@#$ once.

You've done no such thing. You said there was a gun show loophole and when asked what the problem was you said that someone else bought you a gun at a gun show as the example of the "broken" system that allowed this to happen. You never explained why this was evidence of a broken system and when I asked you how the transaction differed from one at a retail store (and thus not part of the "gun show loophole you spoke of) you respond with the garbage I just quoted. It looks like a less than gracious admission of defeat.

The new insanity to come out of this church shooting is a "national dialogue" about whether blacks should, or should be expected to, forgive white people over this ****. Seeing as how most white people I know have never shot, robbed, assaulted, or otherwise violated the rights of any blacks, I don't think they have anything to be forgiven for. How racist is it to pin the acts of one on another just because they have the same color skin?

You believe it is? How so? All you've said is he bought a gun and sold it to you.

Deep thoughts.

So how would it have been different if he bought the gun at Wal Mart?

Humor more than sarcasm. I think being sued, smeared in the media, and stripped of your livelihood is a bit harsh for making fun of a grown man who was extremely unlikely to have ever known about it anyway. This is bull ****. It's just one more step to an antiseptic society. Doc's right on this one. It's bad form but does not merit compensation. And it's far from a slam dunk. It took misapplication of slander law to get him the award.

They gave this guy $200k and the media's hell bent determined to keep that poor woman from having a career just because she talked **** about a guy while he was under and for writing on his chart that he had hemorrhoids. Didn't we already kinda know this stuff happens anyway? http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/anesthesiologist-trashes-sedated-patient-jury-orders-her-to-pay-500000/2015/06/23/cae05c00-18f3-11e5-ab92-c75ae6ab94b5_story.html

I understand. Part of my point with regards to this is slavery wasn't exclusive to the confederacy. It became concentrated there, but that had more to do with circumstance than morality. But more to the point, there's more to it than just slavery. Whereas yankees (who don't get it because they can't relate to it in the same way that white people are said not to be able to relate to the perspective of blacks) may only associate the confederacy and its images with slavery, a lot of southern people relate those images to their ancestry. And just as daily life in the world today is about a lot more than the big political issue of the time, there's a lot more to the history of the antebellum south than slavery.

It's a little too nuanced to do it justice here, but basically, seceding for a cause (which I acknowledge the primary cause of SC seceding was slavery) is not the same thing as fighting for that cause. We look at it today from a very eracentric (if that's a word) way. At the time the whole concept of the union was completely different from how we view it today. The idea that the union can rightfully march on your land and conquer a sovereign people is a vastly distinct principle. You can discuss the internal philosophical inconsistencies, but it doesn't change the fact that they are to separate philosophies that can be bifurcated, analyzed, and appreciated independent of one another.

The post I quoted spoke to the racism of ANY confederate flag. Tom made an excellent post that explained it better than I would, so I won't rehash it, but to simpletons who prefer the comfort of a Schoolhouse Rock version of history all the confederacy stood for and fought for was slavery, which is inaccurate and quite frankly naive.. And now they're pushing their social agenda from a reasonable (albeit random) position to the brink of absurdity. And over the next decade that absurdity will become the politically correct version of things and once accepted they push again. It's cultural fascism and it's taking us to a place where the truth becomes viewed as offensive when it runs contrary to politically correct fallacies. I know to many it looks like an innocuous movement to racial harmony, but it is the opposite while at the same time acting as a vehicle for something seemingly unrelated.

And on the flip side you see the crowd that sees racist implications in everything related to the confederacy. Despite the ignorance and absurdity of their position they are spared ridicule because they find themselves on the politically correct side of the issue.

The crux of the argument is that the battle flag has been used as a symbol of racism. You're taking it to another level arguing that any symbol of the south is inherently racist, which is a hard case to make.