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46 minutes ago, PauleeeWalnuts said:
Definitely not, the trade with KC alone makes him a moron. They’re trying to do to Josh what they did to Cam, be Superman and get it done all by himself. This guy prefers to stack 5th rounders over picking 1st rounders.
While I don’t agree with the last sentence… it’s an all time risky trade.
if worthy pans out that we gave them mahomes and worthy is a blistering narrative - the type of which will be repeated a million times and define this era
if Josh gets hurt playing hero ball it really becomes something. Hopefully we land a couple pieces and feel better fast.
I have to assume they have like 3 guys graded similarly and are all good sliding til 1-2 get picked and I like that philosophy but if we are tied to kc getting a star it becomes not a little flub but something that changes this groups identity and that won’t be worth the picks to try to overcome
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4 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:
My only counter is that the way to prevent Chiefs from getting Worthy was to pick him ourselves. How else would we have prevented Chiefs getting him anyway? I am guessing that Beane knew that the 3 teams in the middle did not want him
I absolutely do not want to help our arch(est) rival but this sounds like a situation where the Bills got some assets while not changing any of the selections between the two teams
you say this but apparently the chiefs thought there was risk-
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6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Lol, are you referring to the time that he traded his 1st round pick, while needing a QB, for arguably the best QB ever? That draft was McDermott though.
Yea, if worthy ends up a star it’s going to be an all time historic blunder to keep feeding Kansas City key pieces at our own needs-
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6 hours ago, Big Turk said:
He is probably fielding calls from half the teams about pick 33 tomorrow...he might be able to get a better deal than what he got for 32.
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4 hours ago, Nelius said:
Cousins has been QB purgatory death camp for years. I respect his grind and how he got people excited last year. Saw the tik tok vids, tee hee. But he will always be the middling QB that never gets you over the hump. He’s well behaved Jay Cutler at best. Ryan Tannehill+. Frankly the worst QB1 possible because it can stifle all growth.
But he could potentially be the best QB2 in the league for years, if he accepts it, immediately. Highly doubtful considering his known ego.
If he accepts it immediately? If not for his ego? He’s on a 45m a year paycheck with huge guarantees. It’s not ego to say he’s not waking up as Ryan Fitzpatrick today.he will play this out and retire with a quarter billion dollars
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46 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
What are you willing to pay for Sutton? 5th?
It’s not that they fooled everyone. He was a 1st round wr, that ran the fastest 40 ever. People took that as “he must play like John Ross.” Worthy was an elite WR, for multiple years, at one of the biggest programs in the country. I think that you could have let a lot of guys go to KC and been okay. This wasn’t one of them.
also I think a flyer on toney is a completely different conversation-
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6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
We must be trading for a vet WR
Vikes only have 1,5,5 next year
go get Jefferson
I don’t think that is the message-
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It’s an all time bad pairing of moves to so aggressively chase cousins that you’ll receive tampering penalties and then overdraft a guy at 8
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13 minutes ago, Process said:
Well that was an interesting end to the night to say the least. Traded twice to teams that took WRs......
We now have 20 hours to discuss our first pick.
If the Bills simply like someone like Mitchell more, and take him at 33, I am fine with the trades, actually they would be nice moves.
If they traded picks that ended up being Worthy and Leggette and then take a freaking safety from Iowa, it's time to take the pitchforks out.
Who are your best remaining and who do you want them to pick?
would you rather Mitchell on a 5 year deal plus a 6th or Mitchell on a 4 year deal plus a 5?
id probably stay out and knock it out tonight
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Just now, Cray51 said:
Maybe the trade we received was in fact a premium…?
It was not by any metric.
no scale or historical comp shows that as higher than normal value.
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7 minutes ago, Cray51 said:
Of course I’d be upset, but not at Beane trading back. I’d be pissed if we drafted worthy to only have him get injured right away, or turns out he can’t catch the ball
if the chiefs maximize the ability of him, so be it. This isn’t us trading the first overall pick.
you can’t be “scared” as an NFL gm. Beane has someone in mind for our pick, and he obviously knows he will get him
so let kc squirm and find another partner, or make them overpay-
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Just now, Nitro said:
The trading down, deep draft, will help Beane stock the roster and still get a good WR at the top of the second round. Mitchell should be the selection.
Then take him at 32 on a 5 year deal-
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Gave up leggette and a 5th year option for some light day 3 value? Interesting.
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To fall back to 33 it better be real value to lose the 5th year option
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
Beane drafting a DB to cover (or fail to cover) the WR he just gave KC is like this era of Bills in a nutshell.
can you imagine? Trade the fastest wr in the draft to get a tweener corner that can’t cover that wr?id be bummed
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1 minute ago, Cray51 said:
So would you prefer the Bills take worthy to spite the chiefs, but can’t use him effectively and he busts, or take someone at 28 that would have been available at 32 anyway and not move up 30 spots into the 3rd round?
honest answer, I don’t trade with kc there without a premiumare you ok if mahomes throws to worthy to beat us in the playoffs next year?
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2 minutes ago, K-9 said:
Beane might trade back further still.
The extra year on the first round pick is still valuable if taking a wr here
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Wow. I hate that decision from Beane. Worthy isn't my guy necessarily but why are you giving the team you are trying to catch and surpass a guy they really covet in a position where they need help?
At our own biggest need nonetheless and a spot you expect them to scout and scheme very well…if this move haunts us in a few months it could cost jobs
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Trading to let Reid get his choice of wide receivers when our biggest need is WR
bold strategy cotton.
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Trade with KC?!? Wild partner.
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1 minute ago, FireChans said:
Bills fans love Mack Hollins and Trent Sherfield
Don’t want to get too flashy. Need some more underdogs to preserve the identity
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Just now, Virgil said:
Gabe, BTJ, Zay, and Kirk? I don't get it
Some teams like having WRs
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1 minute ago, Warcodered said:
Yeah I'm more referring to them taking a position that made more sense than anything else.
yea - invest heavily in a lineman who isn’t as good as their starters. I dig it.
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Posted · Edited by NoSaint
can you imagine if reporters start asking Josh if he had worthy down the line if the dudes playing well
he could tank and beane could get a better player tonight but it’s a HELL of a risk compared to almost any other trade partner