[I have a hypothesis re: Allen that checks a couple boxes]

3 hours ago, Simon said:

 

Haley is pregnant with their first and Josh is going to spend the next year or so stumbling through life like a stoned Alzheimer's patient.

seeing how he played after the pregnant bartender - you might be on to something here

[2025 Edition Trade Deadline Deals]

23 hours ago, SC STATE NUPE said:

Now I’m really sick to my stomach… How did they build that team up so quickly?!!! I can’t believe this!😂

because the 37 year rebuild is make believe 

 

if you have rookie contract qb that’s playing even fringe top 10 and you’ve pushed chips in around him you are basically there instantly. 

[The return of the "tush push"........]

On 10/26/2025 at 9:55 PM, ShakAttack said:

Smartest adjustment we made during the bye week.

 

Dumbest adjustment we made all off-season was convincing ourselves the Chiefs broke the Tush Push just cause they stopped it a few times in the playoffs (including one they didn’t technically “stop” in the first place)

 

If anything, make a small adjustment to the most effective short yardage play you’ve ever had as opposed to removing it entirely

 

we will never hear an answer but I’d be wildly curious about how it fell out of the playbook and was reintroduced. 
 

I can’t imagine that leaves/returns without McD at least involved in one of not both conversations 

[[Misleading Title]]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

As @Kirby Jackson so aptly put it, Meyers is the final boss of the JAGs. 

yea I haven’t watched a ton but it feels like we have several of him already?
 

Not sure if he really adds to the perimeter at all but it’s another wr32-WR48 type of guy 

[Do we have to make a choice between effectively running the ball or getting more pass production?]

2 hours ago, GroteStreet said:

Passing from under center is a basic quarterbacking skill.  

just for reference, he’s still like a basic good starting nfl quarterback under center. 
 

A 90 qb rating isn’t terrible 

 

also, some of the gap could just be situational trends - TD passes coming out of shotgun because we skew that way from the 5 to 15 yard line? Who knows. Vis versa it could be much worse of a skew situationally 

[What is your vibe going into KC?]

I think it’s an important game but also does not define the season 

 

I think we are better

 

i think playing sharp will be important 

[OJ had 273 yards rushing and the Bills lost...]

9 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I watched it! I was 9 at the time. It was a thanksgiving day game and while he was unstoppable, the Bills lost because they were rolling with the worst QB in franchise history, Gary Marangi. Marangi was 4 for 21 for 29 yards, a pick and 1-2 lost fumbles. Greg Landry had a Joe Montana-like day in comparison: 8 of 20 for 143 yards, 2 TDs, and a pick. That Bills team was TERRIBLE, mostly because Fergy missed the entire second half of the season. 

still just wild for a back to pop 273 and team only score 14

 

[The Ray Davis-backup running back discussion]

8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

There are people on this here message board that wanted to let Cook walk because the Bills already had Ray Davis. 🤣🤣 Ray had a pretty decent last year but he was always limited. He’s Zack Moss. If you don’t have burst, you can’t play. I’m surprised, that people are surprised that he isn’t good.

I think there is a lot of confusion between a few respectable runs vs showing the traits that make solid running sustainable. 
 

it’s the classic quoting stats of training camp or preseason heroes instead of talking about skill set. 

[The New Guys: Hairston, Hoecht, Ogunjobi plus Hancock]

7 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

I agree on Dalton, but Carolina has one of the best running backs in the league. I think he still averaged over 5 yards a carry against Buffalo, but they were able to take them out of the run very quickly. 

I have a hard time calling chuba or dowdle one of the best. You get to tenth and you are talking slightly above average and i think we get pretty close to that before any debate. 

[The New Guys: Hairston, Hoecht, Ogunjobi plus Hancock]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

I 100% agree with your assessment of all four. I want to see more of Hancock. It is nice having Poyer as insurance and as a mentor to him and Bishop. But the Bills are far more athletic with Bishop and Hancock on the field. 

 

In addition, I will add that Shaq Thompson and Dorain Williams need to be our regular starting Linebackers. 

 

Think about this: In one game, the defense improved substantially by adding speed and strength in getting Hoecht, Ogunjobi, Thompson, Williams, Hairston, and Hancock on the field. That's an addition of six new starting-quality players. And, these new people make our other new people—Bosa, Walker, and Bishop—better. 

 

I know it is only one game, but for the first time this season, the defense looked legitimate. Talent makes all coaches smarter.

playing Andy dalton didn’t hurt either. Yes we infused some talent but it’s also one of the less threatening qb/rb pairs we have faced and no dominant wr. 

[That’s what the Defense could be right there]

1 minute ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I’m not saying he is good or even decent lol he’s just not completely inept like he’s getting talked about here.. it’s not like their starting qb is very good either.  People were talking about dalton being an upgrade all week and have quickly changed their tune 

 

With young starting, the panthers maybe score a few more points but I really think cook sets the single game rushing record and we score more too..  we shut everything down in the 3rd quarter 

Below average qb makes the rest just not go - we saw it for 20 years. Even when the other 52 are great it all sputters… and their 52 aren’t particularly great. 
 

This should’ve been a soft ball and it was. We needed that. 

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Falcons showing they’re not a good team in the two games immediately following us, yet we let them dominate us on both sides of the ball for most of the game.  
 

Can only line up against who’s across from you and with this being the first real action for Ogunjobi and Hoecht plus the young secondary guys in Hairston and Hancock, I’ll take the positives and hope they carry it over to KC. 

100% 

 

you play the team across from you and they are an nfl team

 

all wins count the same and drawing a line in the sand today was important. 
 

im glad we had Carolina on the schedule today and not a tough matchup though. 

[What's wrong with Josh?]

8 minutes ago, Returntoglory said:

You must be single, right?

the article barely references anything of note

 

you then extrapolated it into total make believe 

 

but sure, it’s possible in the sense that a lot of things could be possible 

[That’s what the Defense could be right there]

38 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Bills absolutely dominated a team in the trenches that’s normally sound on both sides... a lot went well independent of qb play.  Andy dalton really isn’t horrendous either he just had no chance today.  I really don’t think Bryce would’ve done much better tbh 

I try to say this in the nicest way possible but we beat a not great team. Jordan poyer played in Cleveland the last time you could argue that dalton was not bad. and he wasn’t great then. 
 

Heck at that time we had Kyle Orton at qb, and opponents could say EJ Manuel wouldn’t have done much better. We beat one of “those” teams. Sure, an nfl club but the type you should carry 9 out of 10 days if not more 

[Former Jets center Nick Mangold dead at 41yrs.]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

It was a bad hire for the Bills because it was all about getting revenge on the Jets.  That said it was an entertaining two years.

it was a bad hire because we invested in building the strength of the team on the defensive side and not only was his plan to dismantle that positive, he also had no plan to do the work to rebuild it once torn down.

 

alas, not the thread for that

[Is Cook worth it?]

I’m not sure my opinion on cook has changed much but that where that lands in relation to the board has varied wildly 

 

I remember being frustrated as hell we were keeping such an electric player in the sideline. 
 

I was confident he was among the best in the league 

 

I still think he is 

 

at 12m im pretty ok with the deal and he has shown an extra gear this year that’s exciting to watch 

 

but it couldn’t be more frustrating that he seems to not be allowed on the field in any passing situation or two minute drill or a lot of short yardage plays…. and I still think it’s weird to pay a guy 12m who you take off the field for the biggest plays 

[That’s what the Defense could be right there]

7 minutes ago, Lost said:

Today was more of a showcase of how effing bad Andy Dalton is, less so of how good our defense is.   We're not gonna look anything like that against Mahomes.   Tet McMillan was open for most of the day.

 

 

I’ll hold to my word- I looked forward to an impressive win and being slightly annoyed by everyone overrating carolina

[Hate to say this … but the Pats are effing good]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The Browns D is for real—within the top three of the league. And they shredded them. I watched the game at a bar where the Pats game was on the next TV. 

some weeks Carolina beats the falcons by 30, sometimes we beat Carolina by 31 some weeks we do not beat the falcons 

 

they are a feisty young team playing well. They will sometimes be a feisty young team that flops. Thats all.

[What's wrong with Josh?]

6 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

The first few games of the season, I kept pointing out (in real life) how Allen was frequently and masterfully stepping UP in the pocket and often THROUGH the pocket between OC and LG, or LG and LT. It was amazing how natural it was for him time and again. He was moving forward and usually finding a throw or a few yards. Then something changed around about the Saints game (and definitely the Pats game), usually the point in the season where DCs have enough film to make opponent-specific adjustments. 

 

Now Allen seems downright jumpy and out of sync. Not diagnosing Ds or setting protections pre-snap as well as he should. Throwing off-platform and inaccurately. Indecisive/in-between in his decisions. 

 

But we've seen this before. He can be streaky. He can be frazzled. Remember how many seasons we spent watching the first few offensive snaps so closely to determine if Allen was psyched-out OR dialed-in? Like which Allen are we getting today? Gotta call the first drive like a 2-minute drill to start with a positive play, even if it's a short pass. Then maybe follow it up with a designed QB run to get Allen some contact and shake him out of his own head. I don't think #17 looked fully present and in control today until about the time he was pulled from the game. 

 

that first half of your post is exactly why I question if he’s protecting himself a little extra - whether injury or constant chirp in his ear about health. 

[Hate to say this … but the Pats are effing good]

20 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

They are a problem, and they have a cupcake schedule. Plus they are extremely well-coached. It’s also now clear that Maye is (unfortunately) the real deal. My one hope for a loss is their game at Tampa, but the Bucs have so many injuries that I expect the Pats to be favorites. They will slaughter Atlanta, I expect.

dont do that thing where the first time a team flashes they are suddenly never going to play down to the lesser versions of themselves 

[What's wrong with Josh?]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes.. years past he's taking every 7-8-9 yard chunk he can

 

Now he's willing to run around even do a ballerina and spin around and make people Miss behind the line of scrimmage just to throw it 

 

I don't think he's going to do that in January

 

Looked like he hurt his wrist a couple weeks ago if I recall correctly

Something like that could easily tie through to bailing from the pocket a little more quickly, and not being as eager to run himself

[What's wrong with Josh?]

12 minutes ago, Process said:

He's in a slump. He gets in a slump at some point every single season.

 

Nothing new and nothing to be too concerned with. If he's still playing poorly in a couple weeks at his second home ( Miami) I'll start to worry. 

he’s taken a few hits. I wouldn’t be surprised if in addition to the nose he maybe has some ribs acting up, etc… 

 

nothing to be gained telling us 

 

but narratively it would kind of tie through to a few of the question marks. 

[What's wrong with Josh?]

I don’t think he trusts the system as much this year 

 

I also wouldn’t be shocked if he’s nursing some sort of unreported injury a little 

[Bills- Panthers Snap Counts]

44 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Hmm Benford all 54 snaps, and then White 41 + Hairston 27 so 68 total?

 

Any ideas what is going on?

I bet at some point Benford and tre and max were playing together 

[Easy Tell on Cook Runs]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I think he's talking about the actual use on the field of play

 

Smelling salt have been used for a hundred years lol but typically they were used on the sidelines James Cook is doing it on the field which is why Simon is bringing up the gray area

oh it was, apparently mistakenly, reported they were fully banned. I’ve seen plenty of social posts about suspending cook etc…. Because announcers and writers did not well clarify the change in rule. 
 

I would bet many if not most here think it’s a full ban

[Max Hairston to return to practice from IR]

1 minute ago, dorquemada said:

I’ll eat my hat here, not only did I think and say and post repeatedly that I didn’t think we’d see him on the field this year, but he blew me away with his first appearance.  He’s going to get better every week.  This is a big deal.

though in being measured - he may allow catches or make mistakes still. Young guys aren’t always linear improvement