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16 hours ago, The Wiz said:
Beane said the same thing in his presser today as well. Basically kids are getting paid and they already know they have a spot and don't have to fight for a roster spot so they are staying in school and getting a payday.
And knock on wood working on their craft if they are smart
it’s an extra year of serious reps, and if they don’t just party and coast on talent - development.
once the pool normalizes with fewer juniors coming out, you might see those mid-late picks be a little more ready to contribute with more lifting, more film study, more experience in games etc… heck, even less shock with having big money in their pockets
16 hours ago, LabattBlue said:So this means Schoen will trade away any 6th and 7th round picks the Giants have? We will see.
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1 hour ago, Beck Water said:
@Shaw66, where did he say something that was clear to you that he'd like to have a "true number 1 guy"?
He started off the presser saying that in Stefon Diggs, you're talking about a guy who for 4 years filled a #1 role. He went on to say that "we have not filled a number 1 role. We have a group of guys with different skill sets, would we like to add to it at some point, yes, but I'm not sitting here thinking we have a glaring hole" He then went on to say sometimes you have young guys on your roster that you believe can ascend, but they have to prove it, too.
A lack of #1 WR is a pretty glaring hole, IMO, if you believe you need one.But, I will admit that I have not made it through the entire interview, so I'd love to be pointed at ~where he said that, unless it was in a theoretical "yeah, we'd run to the podium for Ja'Maar Chase" kind of way?
I agree that Beane very deliberately left it open that he wouldn't exclude anything, but I do believe Beane suggested that he wouldn't do it - all the stuff about not wanting to give up next year's #1 pick, not expecting to trade the #2 pick from the Diggs trade etc etc.
what’s the one thing he can least afford to say today?Honestly would that worst thing be: “I have a glaring hole at WR1 and need to trade up to fill it”
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5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Take aways:
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I do not think Beane is even thinking about moving into the top 10 to get one of the big 3 WR.
- He said he would take any call, but he also said teams in the top 10 don't generally call teams down at 28.
- When asked about him calling them, he mocked them even wanting to take his call and made it clear he hasn't called them.
- Worth noting as well, Bills have no reported visits or meetings with MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze. We did reportedly meet once with Thomas.
- He is not a fan at all of moving a future first, which I will cover in comments below.
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I think he made it pretty clear as well that we are not going to be trading for a proven guy such as Aiyuk or Higgins as many have been wanting.
- Specifically said when we traded for Stef, Allen was an ascending player and the offense needed a guy like that.
- But that now with Allen ascended to the player he is, that is not a requirement and not necessary.
- He made it clear he is very comfortable making a small trade up to make sure he can get the guy he covets. So if there is one he wants where a small move up to go get him is on the table, I think he will pull that trigger.
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He also made it very clear he really does NOT want to move next years 1st, but did admit he would if the deal made sense to do it.
- Referenced regretting those kind of moves in the next draft when they did them in Carolina when the next draft came and the guy they gave up that first didn't really get them over the top.
- He also doesn't plan to move the 2nd we got for Diggs, but wouldn't rule it out if they felt the right deal was there.
- Between Josh, McD and Beane interviews, I think it was pretty clear they have a lot of confidence in the core of Samuel, Shakir, Kincaid, Knox, and Cook. It is clear we are going after a WR in first 2 rounds, but I would not expect us to go back to back WR or take 2 early as some around here have suggested. If we take a 2nd one, I would expect it later like rounds 4 and on.
- Beane made it clear that trading back is very much in play at 28 and pointed out if they couldn't get Kincaid they had a real good trade back worked out he really liked.
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Also added he would love to add someone on the DL that can contribute this season.
- While he said it could be in the first, would have to see what is there at 28 in general, but went on to say he sees guys outside the first in this draft that can come in and contribute this year.
So what I came away with is that I think there is very little chance we are making a move to get MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze. It was also clear it was just as unlikely we are going after someone like Aiyuk, Higgins, etc either. And that has been my belief all along as well.
While I wouldn't say that anything he said rules out moving up into the teens to get Thomas (like say Jags at 17), I think it's a low possibility he goes up outside the 20's. The thing that most often stuck out was the reluctance on using high future picks to move up. I think Beane really likes the idea of having a first and two 2nd's next year and really prefers not trading them. And I do think that trading back is a very strong possibility for us to try and get a 3rd this year or maybe even a third 2nd for next year.
All in all this was a good listen...and Beane has a track record for being pretty straight forward and candid on these things, so I think he is shooting pretty straight with his comments like he always has.
my take away is you generally heard what you wanted?
the summary essentially reads:
they aren’t talking to top ten teams… but would be talking to trade back with exactly those same teams
they aren’t trading up to the top of the round and don’t want to trade the 1 or 2 unless of course they decide to trade the 1 or 2
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I do not think Beane is even thinking about moving into the top 10 to get one of the big 3 WR.
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On 4/16/2024 at 3:32 PM, Virgil said:
I think he's worth about 75-80 mil per
Alpha touted him as an mvp candidate caliber player in his you can’t win with a top tier wr posts.
it only seems fair he sets the bar
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11 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
I LOVE that diggs got in Josh's face. Someone had to. He was the only guy on this team that wanted to win and seemed to actually put the work in. Josh is far more concerned with chasing Hollywood tail and golfing.
I love how hard Josh plays, but he just doesn't put the mental work in and it's the reason he doesn't have a ring yet, and perhaps never will.
They've never had less accountability or more excuses to fall short than they will in 2024, and that's what I fully expect to happen. "A lot of new faces" "It took us a while to gel" "We ran out of steam" "emotionally exhausted" etc. Is a loser culture in that locker room full of soft personalities and a weak coach. Diggs didn't fit that and that's not a him problem, it's a Bills problem. Looking forward to Dawkins showing up out of shape as per usual too.
to reconcile this a bit-the star that most disappeared in the playoffs was right to hold his teammates accountable in the playoffs because it was a them problem and not a him problem.
also, despite him doing it in an ineffective way, you loved seeing it.
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2 hours ago, In Summary said:
That's not a crazy trade-up scenario. Beane will view the extra 2025 2nd as money to play with this year.
whether to move up from 28, or from 60 I’m near certain it’ll package into a trade and one of those two picks will be a wr…whether edge 28 and wr at the top of the 2nd or a trade up for the big 4 wr…
id be shocked if we don’t use it
36 minutes ago, Ralonzo said:Just for the heck of it. Let's say the Bills opt instead to move down from 28 (and 60 lol). What are some potential draft paths within this 7 round mock? Make some picks based on what's left on Brugler's board right around those spots, guessing who he might mock to Buffalo (we disregard the butterfly effect).
[TRADE 1] Buffalo takes LV's offer to move up for Penix that Brugler mocks at 29, and gets 44 and 77 in return (which is a little light on the Raiders side - they get 209 Rich Hill value for 195)
[TRADE 2] Then at 60, let's hope Tampa wants someone and would give up 89 and 92 (nearly perfect value match). Barring that I'd still be considering the OT.
1 (44). Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon - The Bills guy all along
3 (77). Kiran Amegadjie, OT, Yale - Gifted developmental T
3 (89). Austin Booker, Edge, Kansas - Rotational edge with upside of a future starter
3 (92). Malik Mustapha, S, Wake Forest - Great tackler for the Poyer role
4 (128). Mason McCormick, G, So. Dak. State - IOL mauler for Kromer to mold
4 (133). Gabe Hall, DL, Baylor - Depth for 3T or 5T
5 (144). Johnny Wilson, WR, Florida State - Big target at X, contested catch monster
5 (160). Elijah Jones, CB, Boston College - This is @GunnerBill's guy
5 (163). Jordan Magee, LB, Temple - Fits the Bills mold with speed and relentless pursuit
6 (200). Ryan Watts, CB/S, Texas - Length and ranginess, a bigger Cam Lewis?
6 (204). Cornelius Johnson, WR, Michigan - Tools of an X receiver
7 (248). Kimani Vidal, RB, Troy - We'll give Brugler this one
So which draft would you prefer, the trade up or the trade down? This might fit in with that Moneyball thread from yesterday too about the merits of tradnig up vs trading down.
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’d probably need 5 firsts including the first overall pick with a “can’t miss QB” prospect in the draft. I’m not talking Trevor Lawrence. I’m talking Andrew Luck / Peyton Manning level prospect.
yea, that basically buys you two swings at the position with hopes you can come close to an elite option. I’d probably be ok with the Lawrence tier if arms were twisted but a great qb is such a talent multiplier for the other 52 -
5 minutes ago, Augie said:
I am from the future.
A man named Elam.
They have alcohol in the future.
EDIT: And present. 🤷♂️
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augie used to drink a lothe still does, but he used to too
(and will in the future)
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10 minutes ago, Doc said:
OK, like who? And why would the Chefs necessarily be the beneficiaries?
I’m not sure how to spell it out differentlyI speculated that rashee rice, a talented young receiver - who just wrecked 6 figures worth of cars, facing 7 figure lawsuits, and likely huge legal bills… potentially seeing his earnings reduced by suspension in year 2 of his modest rookie deal could feel very cash poor and at the end of his 3rd year (earliest opportunity) seek an extension to put some cash in his pocket even though he will have very limited leverage
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21 minutes ago, Doc said:
Huh? How?
young guy quickly going upside down on cash flow maybe wanting an infusion of new money earlier than he should and without as much leveragethink Henry, Travis
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5 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:
We already got our vet in Curtis Samuel. Now they are going to draft a few young WRs to pair with Shakir, Samuel and Kincaid. It’s time to get Josh some weapons and this is the year to do it. Draft is very deep at WR. Go retool that offense and let’s score lots of points
but a pairing of Sutton plus a second tier rookie could be a viable bridge across the next 2-3 years with a 4 deep groupdepending entirely on Suttons price
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I like Sutton a lot
i have zero grasp on what his compensation would look like (trade or dollars)
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15 hours ago, H2o said:
And he is being sued for quite a substantial amount now as well.
I swear to god if this gets kc a very good cheap wr in his prime because he needs money and has a checkered history….15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:Not all criminal acts get charged doc--you certainly know this. why even bring that up?
Oh goody, the start of a 3 page doc vs weo loop.
lets run away at 119 mph
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2 hours ago, FireChans said:
We are never going to suck bad enough to pick where the next Jamar Chase is going to go unless Josh gets hurt.
So you either leverage your future or you don’t complain about not having elite weapons.
or you hope that your 50/50 guy works out and you don’t have to spend multiple picks instead of trading up for an 85/15 guy-
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16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
About the 10. We are on the aisle at the price break.
I didn’t read for full details but seems like a solid plan of action base on the high level I did see -
On 4/14/2024 at 5:09 PM, BringBackFergy said:
Are they still looking for him? Could make a video game out of this: “Where in the World is Rashee Rice?”
would you suggest it have a catchy jingle?-
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3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Huh? Miami's QB was an MVP candidate and still couldn't win the division with both Hill and Waddle and a 4 game lead last in the season. Eagles had their MVP candidate QB too and didn't get the job done yet with both AJ Brown and Smith. Cincy has Burrow and didn't get the job done with both Chase and Higgins. Dallas has Dak who has been one of the most prolific passers statistically in the NFL who had Cooper and Lamb.
So...yeah...your counter point makes no sense considering Dallas, SF, Mia, and Phi all had QB's who have been MVP candidates. Chargers had Allen and Williams with Herbert and can't even make the playoffs.
at this point all I think you’ve proven is the chiefs beat everyone and we should all quit watching?
or are you advocating that we spend a series of day two picks and large but second tier contracts on guys that actively lose games as the recipe in the wr room?
26 minutes ago, Beck Water said:I voted "no", not because I think Beane is looking to trade for a star WR, but because I think Beane knew he couldn't trade for a star WR before this deal and this deal doesn't change anything.
it’s odd for anyone to pretend beane didn’t roughly understand the market last week and this would make him change course.-
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12 hours ago, QCity said:
First of all, that's a parody account.
Second, we know it's true, they are converting that area to Field Clubs with 15K PSLs.
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On 4/10/2024 at 6:46 PM, smward8 said:
I'm curious how Shorter and Hamlet figure into the mix. Shorter is kind of like Davis, and Hamler, when he isn't injured, is a speed guy who can stretch the field.
You pencil in no production and enjoy literally anything from them
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On 4/12/2024 at 7:08 AM, Sweats said:
Think of him what you will, but the legal system found him innocent. That's not to say the legal system is not broken, however, he was judged by a jury of his peers and was found not guilty......i, however, think he's guilty as hell, but i was not on the jury panel, i only heard what the media expressed for the trial and did not have to make the decision of innocent or guilty.
Now, OJ may have been found innocent in the eyes of the law, but he was definitely found guilty in public opinion.
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49 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:
Some of these folks think that's overkill. Just get someone who runs the right routes and catches the ball. What about the D, etc.?
No matter how the draft plays out, Beane has to upgrade the WR room. I'd like to try exceptional talent at WR to add to Kincaid and Cook as weapons. Then role players like Samuel and Shakir slot into the place where you are not asking too much of them, and they are able to flourish with the correct level of expectation. Outside the top 3, I think you probably have to bring in two WRs, either through the draft or a combination of draft and trade.
I think same page here And have really been talking myself into it post diggs.tight ends normally have a learning curve so we may see a jump there.
I like Samuel over Davis
if we can improve diggs spot - it could be a hell of a step forward for this group. And I’m not opposed to our weapons being overkill
back up those safeties and cook can feast.
It’ll take pressure off Josh (imagine him getting to the playoffs much healthier)
It lets the defense turn one dimensional and takes pressure off.
that patriots team was an absolute scoring machine.
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1 hour ago, TurfToeJam said:
You're talking about the highly successful Gronk and Brady right?
Or the highly successful Kelce and mahomes, right?
Oh, wait, you mean the soon to be highly successful Kincaid and Allen!
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27 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
New England dominated for years w/ a cast of sure-handed “good, but not great” receivers. The most important thing is they run the correct routes, don’t drop the ball, and know how to improvise on the fly. If the offensive line can continue to hold up then I think Allen will be fine. I think we will see a much more Tight End-centric offense this season as well w/ Kincaid split out and Knox lined up traditionally. There’s talent, but it needs to be utilized correctly.
well, with possibly the greatest qb of all time, and possibly the greatest tight end.
and did take a massive step forward by adding the elite wr even if the economics weren’t long term sustainable
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Brand Beane Press Conf 4/18
in The Stadium Wall
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my point being he didn’t say much.
Might stay put or trade up or down a little. Probably not up a lot cause it takes a lot lining up is loosely the gist and that’s a really practical statement even from a guy desperate to get there.
I don’t believe he hasn’t talked to anyone. Even if on a surface level you don’t think he particularly wants to move up - but you do think he wants to move back… who would he be talking to about those possible moves? Teams at the top of 2. The same teams at the top of the first.
ultimately I do believe also that alpha will have his chance to spike the ball and do a victory tour reminding us for all eternity that he was right about the lack of trade up
but I think in not an inconsequential part that’s because it’s a lot harder to make a big move than it is to make a small move or no move at all.
similar to @BADOLBILZstatements - he’s managing that expectation now. He knows there are viral clips, and his star player saying he’s doing it. He can’t let the fans expect it though even if he’s actively trying because it’s difficult and he has only so much control over it