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21 minutes ago, hikerprof2 said:
I don't get how Palmer is worth 12 million a year and Hollins not worth 4 mil a year to us. Sure, Mac is no superstar -neither is Palmer. The intangibles are what we may miss with Hollins. Certainly, his downfield blocking, where he was more effective than even our TE Dalton Kinkaid. He led the team in receiving TD's. actually showed up in the playoffs and was a special teams demon. His locker room presence and charisma will be missed. We may regret this.
We can’t hit our potential with hollins leading us in touchdowns.
im not sure Palmer is the guy, but hollins can’t be our best perimeter red zone threat
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Both WR and DE are shaping up to be a collection of fine enough individual pieces rotating but no cornerstone players
I know getting “that guy” at a premium spot is tough but it would’ve been cool.
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1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:
Josh Palmer > Mack Hollins
Plus, I don’t think we’re done at WR yet.
I mean we have a 15m a 12m and a 9m guy plus a “1st round pick” dedicatedsure, we might add something but I doubt it’s substantial
i wonder what a Rondale Moore is slotting up for these days
2 minutes ago, folz said:Interesting to see how many fans are sad to see him go when so many hated the Bills signing him last year. Maybe keep that in mind with this year's free agents.
Thanks for the memories Mack. You were a lot of fun to watch as a Bill, made some clutch plays, brought a toughness to the offense, and a cohesiveness to the locker room. You will be missed. Good luck moving forward...except when you play the Bills, of course...which apparently now will be twice a year.
he was enjoyable but he couldn’t be a WR2/3 for us and we need that (really need better than that)-
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6 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:
We lost two veterans in Cooper and Hollins. Even if they draft someone I'm not surprised they signed someone like Palmer. He's got potential. I hope he's more Hollins than Sherfield.
dear lord. I think everyone involved thinks even being hollins would be a monumental bust for a signing like this. Hopefully he’s a genuinely good starting wr -
2 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:
As far as I can tell he had a nice season in 2022 catching 72 / 769 yards but a knee injury slowed Palmer's progress in 2023. Looks
like he was more or less not a primary target with Harbaugh in 2024.
Palmer’s young and has showed promise and potential. Sometimes all it takes is a change of scenery.
yea a lot of question marks here. I thought he would really break out at some point but for a team with a good qb, previous WR success, and desperate need for a young wr to step up…. Somehow he did not.
hopefully the reset sparks that in a way that the chargers did not
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27 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:
There's a path to believe he could be. His catch percentage is about 10% better on average. Drop percentage is lower. Palmer has a 70 catch season but Davis was clearly almost exclusively a deep ball guy so he was never going to catch 70 balls. What we need is a guy who can take one on one coverage and produce catches outside. Hopefully he fairs better than MVS.
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1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:
What on Earth has he done to justify that amount of money?
he will be a quarterback taking reps this yearif you are on the field you just aren’t going under 20 prr
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Not shocked as a target.
incredibly curious to see what shows up on the field though. Could really go either way
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21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
To do what? Take the guy we just signed to a 53m contract off the field?
Even if we moved on from Samuel (he's a 12m Dead Cap hit this season) and Dalton Kincaid - that's still not enough slot reps to make a Kupp level investment for.
Unless, again, you want to cut into Shakir's reps - in which case, why did we just make the investment we did?
I’ll stress again the difference between me wanting it and me offering the possibility that it may happen.
that said… kupp has always split snaps so a slight shift outside by him and Samuel, while Shakir also can move around the offense…. These guys aren’t all locked into splitting reps at a single location.
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7 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:
Absolutely. But someone will give him more.
im not entirely confident of that. I think a coin flip he retires due to lack of serious interest.
Pull out kickers and QBs and he’s among the oldest guys in the league
1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:I wonder if he ends back here. Sounds like both sides interested. I can’t imagine he will have a huge market
to some degree, even on a cheap deal…. His history is tough to carry. Fans will be perpetually disappointed-
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12 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Kupp is a Slot WR. We don't need another Slot WR. We've got Keon Coleman, Khalil Shakir (Slot), and Curtis Samuel (50% Slot). Then we have Dalton Kincaid, who's also half or more out of the Slot
We need to find replacements for or re-sign Amari Cooper and Mack Hollins.
I fully understand all of that and pointed out this issue last offseason but there we were drafting Keon and not adding perimeter speedso now I’ll say I’m not shocked if we bring in the king of the slot with 3 of the guys you mentioned not achieving like we would hope
4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
The Bills have a very good roster that should have a chance to compete for a Super Bowl. I feel that this offseason was all about maximizing the SB window and adding impact players on offense and defense.
Hendrickson is the only one left and that’s probably a pipe dream. Bills aren’t going to overspent for a player like Josh Sweat or Javon Holland either.
In 2019, Brandon Beane chose to spend money on players like Cole Beasley and John Brown to average contracts, as opposed to overpaying a WR.
I have a feeling they’ll do the same this season. Maybe a notch above the Tim Settle’s on the free agent market. Not what I was hoping for.
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50 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:
To me, if they are committed to changing the offense to more of a push the ball deep down field offense then Kupp isn’t the answer. If they continue to be an offense predicated on route running and precision, he is a perfect fit imo. It should be interesting to see where it goes.
he also may be a good presence for not just Keon but also dalton too-
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some less talked about names
I think Bynum could be sneaky instead of holland
adebo?
nothing about him fits but for some reason chase young sits as a guy that I suspect is higher on their list than mine. Haason reddick might be a devalued swing at getting pressure without paying 30m
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I’ll go ahead and say it… Pickens?
realistically, I think kupp or cooper end up our guy on the carousel… depending on what was behind the scenes last year
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8 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Which may be meaningless depending on guarantees.
Seeing as they haven’t been reported, I doubt he got over $100M guaranteed
absolutely won’t last 5 years but that allows them to fully amortize the signing bonus for the max of 5 yearsid bet he’s like 60-70 but you never know. Really doubt it’s past 60% (ie 3 years)
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12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
It's $30M AAV, exactly what was reported. Nothing about the trade compensation or the money is shocking. This was the known asking price. Rousseau plus Bernard's AAV more than makes up for it. Beane chose the two solid players over the one great player. That decision is emblematic of his strategy in general and it hasn't gotten us over the hump.
he has been a 4 quarters instead of a dollar kind of guy outside miller.
you hope that situation doesn’t sour him on the huge swings you sometimes need
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12 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:
There is no way he signed this deal without assurances that the team would improve the defense and receivers significantly. Right?
it’s not like he’s with a franchise that’s refusing to spend or is cheating out. They missed on von due to injury and diggs wore out his welcome a year early - -
2 hours ago, Magox said:
He is not a great receiver, do I need to post his rankings?He is a good quality receiver who is great at go and post routes.
With that said, I’d be happy to have him because we actually could use someone who is fantastic at the skill sets he offers.
yea, I guess he’s a great receiver like parsons is a great end? Maybe not the 100% polished and complete player but does the premium part of the job with top tier skill? And a guy that can press down field and keep safeties deep is our weakest piece of the offense too. -
43 minutes ago, bigK14094 said:
Miller is old and slow, getting by on his experience. Getting rid of him finally admits the unfortunate swing and miss here.
not sure about “finally admits”I think beane himself would’ve said in private the day of the injury that he put chips on the table and lost the hand on this one.
sometimes they just don’t work out. The tire blows on the car and you are left limping to the nearest exit ramp. Today we reached it.
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4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:
When I saw it was family I knew these would be dropped. Ain’t gonna ruin the cash cow of the family. Throw in NFL player. Might not get out of the reach of the long arm of the law Goddell though
easy to create narratives. We will see. The oft article references the lack of charges after discussions with a third party.
I haven’t followed this one closely but in plenty of spots a simple allegation will get cuffs on you without much confirmation.
could be exactly what you said. Could be the proverbial extortion gone poorly nearly as easily though. Domestic stuff can be terribly messy and tough to assume about
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2 hours ago, khlax3 said:
That’s where we disagree. I feel he is already an above average defensive end that is 24 years old and ascending. He played 1 year in college.
Hendrickson in is first 4 years before signing his deal with cincy had 20 sacks. Groot in his first 4 years has 25. He is an elite run defender gets a lot of pressure.
I don’t dislike the guy… it’s just really difficult roster construction unless he really breaks out. And he hasn’t.and your comparison is a guy that was a backup for 3 years and got 13.5 in his first year starting. Not really a fair career arc to compare totals for.
if you compare him to 64 starting DEs, above average. If you use top 32 edge rushers… gets rough. Hard to find a path to the top 10 which means you are quickly talking “average” as a ceiling.
In no particular order perusing my memory and typing on my phone… Garrett, Crosby, bosa, watt, Hutchinson, burns, Anderson, Allen, m sweat, hunter, Hendrickson, bonnitto, parsons…
is this range with like chubb, van ginkel, van noy, the young pair in LA, the old guys in LA, karlaftis where we start to get debate on whether we pick Rousseau as our pass rusher if it’s 4th and 10 in the 4th quarter of the AFCCG next year and we need a stop to win the game?
surely we could debate a few guys there but the range generally seems “in the teens” which is pretty definitionally average
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3 minutes ago, khlax3 said:
I am really not understanding the hate on this deal. It feel like people are living in the mid 2000s cap era . We have him locked up for 5 more years until his age 29 season for an average of 18.6 million a year. Within the next year or two the top tier guys are going to be in the 35-40 million a year range with the current and future cap. Most of these guys will also be in their late 20s or early 30s. Having a guy like up for his prime at half that number seems pretty good
he’s roughly average to slightly below for a primary pass rusher.
a veteran roster can only pay so many of “those guys” and still have the elite guys getting 35-40M
put another way, would you rather cycle guys like Josh sweat/floyd/etc… on short deals and add a $30m guy, or are we better with groot/shakir?
personally I think having a couple true cornerstones and cycling lower tier vets and draft picks is my preferred but see miller, vonn for how it can go wrong
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28 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:
I agree that stopping the run is important, but finding those guys is a lot easier, and historically a lot cheaper, than finding guys that can sack the QB. I really like having a guy like Rousseau on a rookie deal or somewhere around $10M/yr. The opportunity cost of paying him pass rusher money is that now you have to pray you find an all-pro EDGE in the draft when you're going to be at a disadvantage. I would have rather went after a guy like Garret and then drafted a Rousseau replacement which would have been far easier.
yea I think we have always had a bit of debate on a couple super stars vs extra 2nd/3rd tier strong role playersat some point I still think you need 2-3 guys that change the entire field. We have Josh… but shakir and groot don’t keep a coordinator up at night trying to figure out how to contain them while still playing to their own strengths. Oliver gets closer to that but isn’t Chris jones or Aaron Donald.
we need to find that guy on the DL and would like to see a pass catcher of some variety that gets much closer to that tier.
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21 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
It always seems like a Chiefs WR under Andy Reid finds themselves in legal trouble. Other than Tyreek, it’s not like Rice or Worthy had red flags.
rice absolutely did.
Bills sign DL Michael Hoecht on a 3-year deal worth a max value of $24M
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I don’t think there is a huge splash to come
free agency is thin on impact at this point. 30th isn’t usually an immediate impact pass rusher.
A trade or cap casualty yet to come?