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After Ralph sent word down to cut Langston Walker to save some money...........as was his MO after watching preseason........in this case realizing that the Trent Edwards no-huddle offense was a complete f*cking joke.......the thought was, "well at least Brad Butler is a returning starter at tackle". He immediately gets injured. Enter Chambers. What an abomination.

They had an impressive run of titles won in a mostly tiny 4 team division. It's not often cited though because it's relevance in major league sports history isn't that significant. Not all sports have such tiny subsets of teams. Winning divisions in football doesn't even always require a winning record. By contrast, the Yankees once won the AL pennant(equivalent of reaching the SB) by having the best record in their league 26 times in the process of having a winning record every year for 39 seasons from 1926-1964. As for the Pats still being good..........you simply didn't respect Belichick. He's the greatest head coach in NFL history. His methods are often questionable........he WILL cheat and do whatever it takes to win........but he's worth 3-5 wins for that team every year.........there isn't a comparable head coach in sports.

They actually had a lot of "Left Tackle Luck" in that Donahoe period too. In the last Dwight Adams draft(Donahoe's first) they drafted Jonas Jennings and he was a really talented player..........I believe his rookie season he started at RT and didn't allow a sack. He was every bit the blocker that Dion Dawkins is today(and probably even better in pass pro) but he was constantly leaving the field injured. Then they had a chance to select McKinnie.........who was considered a slam dunk pick to the Bills.......even in the fall prior to that draft. SHOUT! magazine had an issue that fall with McKinnie on the cover LOL. Hard to emphasize enough how OBVIOUS it was that he be the Bills first draft pick. But even after the Williams pick blunder, Jennings moved to LT and played well. But after they struck gold with Peters in UDFA they couldn't justify re-signing the too-oft-injured Jennings once Peters emerged. Having 3 talented LT's like that should have been a blessing but by 2009 the Bills were LT-bankrupt and starting "Da'Mattress" Bell. That 2009 OL might have been an all-time low point for Bills OL play. I believe there was a stat presented during the opener that the Bills OL had the least combined starts of any opening day OL to play in the NFL since the merger.

Always suspected Szabo might have gotten fired for suspicion of sharing Carolina draft info with the Bills. It was weird that he got let go in Carolina in 2019......he had recently been promoted and seemed to be on the way up in an organization he had spent nearly 2 decades with and where there seemed to be a lot more potential for upward mobility than within the Bills organization. He ended up with a lateral(perhaps a bit of a demotion even) move to the Bills.

Yes.......because hair serves to trap and intensify the natural odor of the genitalia. And without question, Hairy brings maximum stank every time he sets up behind the plate. And every time a ball skips past him as he carelessly tries to backhand it the announcers point out that it's not that he doesn't put in the physical work to get better..........which only emphasizes the fact that the cerebral aspect of the catching position is somehow still lost on him 14 years into playing the position at the pro level. Having a bad defensive catcher who is also egregiously bad at framing pitches was a big problem for the Yankees in recent seasons. Trevino and Higgy are lesser career hitters but they are doing wonders with a staff that was held back by the league-worst kinda' defense by Sanchez in recent seasons.

Even though he's tripled washed.....and then some at this point..........he probably has a shot at being a year-long practice squad player with the league keeping them expanded again. Not a $6M man any longer but maybe a $200K man still. And the Bills are no longer one of the deeper receiver groups in the NFL anymore. It's Diggs, Davis and a bunch of slots and ST's only's. So his competition might be an unavailability expert like Isaiah Hodgins.

Nice 10-4 win over Minnesota despite bad defense and an uncharacteristically bad start by a Yankees starting pitcher. The hard part was having to watch ol' Hairy Snatchez behind the plate again.........as usual about 10 pitches ended up getting past him and hitting the backstop. That's just ugly baseball to watch. So glad he is playing for someone else.

Back in those dark ages of Donahoe/Levy/Brandon as GM's we used to see some ridiculously misdirected crusades against players on TSW. Peters was one that a lot of posters were always looking to contrive any excuse to bash. People like Shaw just can't let it go. But one of the more fervent crusades was the hate against Bryant McKinnie.........because their Lord and Savior Tom Donahoe chose to select a slovenly bum RT with a bummier knee......Mike Williams.........instead of the broadly accepted #1 LT in the draft in McKinnie. The McKinnie hate watching continued long after Mike Williams very brief and lousy career. McKinnie didn't turn into a HOF'er like Peters but he did become a long time stud LT.

You keep going back and forth between whether it's your opinion or a fact depending on what's convenient. What you've said is not factual. Is it your opinion.......as a homer who will make up utter nonsense to further that agenda? Probably so, yes. But you could also have just misremembered because that's just how you want to remember the player. Just learn to recognize your own BS, please. Players leave games injured at times. Josh Allen once left a closely contested and critical home game against the Patriots and Barkley came in and sh*t himself and the Bills lost that critical game. Happened against Houston too and Peterman came in and was a disaster in defeat. Did you see any bones snap in those instances? How are we to be certain he was hurt that bad and Peters wasn't in situations where he might have left the field? I'm sure you'd find it ridiculous to question JA's toughness though.

Can we get the list of Bills players you are rooting against and don't like their attitudes?

It's not a fact. You are just running out of fodder so you chose to make something up. He had seasons early in his 30's where he played all 16 games and played 97% of the snaps. Dion Dawkins is a young man(entering age 28 season) and despite being very durable himself he generally plays around 95% of the offensive snaps. LMK when Dion plays 88% of the team offensive snaps at LT when he's age 39. I'm all for being critical of players/management relative to their peers.........but dogging a guy for not being tough when he's still playing LT 17 years into his career is just daft. The Bills did have a talented LT named Jonas Jennings who fits that description.......constantly leaving the field because he wouldn't play hurt.........but I'd hope you have enough sense to not conflate the two. Peters succeeded Jennings at LT. In fact he once basically shamed Jonas Jennings back into a game that Jennings had limped out of. Peters was not soft by any means. Dude tore the same achilles TWICE in the 2012 offseason........back when that was a much bigger deal.........and instead of his career being over he came back and was first team All Pro again. https://www.nfl.com/news/eagles-lt-jason-peters-ruptures-his-achilles-again-09000d5d82917fca

You are full of sh*t up to your eyeballs Shaw. You don't know anything about Peters character with the Bills other than what Russ Brandon told you at the time........when Philly traded for him they got not one bad word about him from the agents of other players on the Bills. All he did was work himself up from practice squad to All Pro as a Bill. Josh Allen got his deal re-worked with 2 years left on it. When you are a great player in his prime at a premium position........that's what happens.........if the organization has any sense. Here are some excerpts about Peters "character" from an article done by The Athletic. "Leading by example is Peters’ M.O., but that doesn’t mean he’s silent in the locker room. When he speaks, everyone listens. In addition to Peters’ defense of Foles against Washington in 2014, Roseman fondly remembers a brief but impactful speech following a 2011 loss that dropped the team to 4-8. The gist: “Now we will find out who are the men and who are the boys, who will fight and who will not.” The Eagles closed the season with four straight wins." “We have a Hall of Fame player and a Hall of Fame person,” Roseman said via email. "On the field, Peters’ willingness to work on technique after practice with young linemen and pass-rushers has become such second nature that it no longer registers as noteworthy. But every summer practice for the better part of the last decade has ended with Peters sticking around to help anyone from forgotten bottom-of-the-roster players like Malcolm Bunche and Michael Bamiro to Jordan Mailata, Halapoulivaati Vaitai and Lane Johnson, who have all been labeled along the way as Peters’ eventual replacement."

Yeah........it's a team that was local to him in his home state and the second most high profile organization in pro sports(behind them Yankees, of course). It's like being from Rochester and wanting to play for the Bills.........except, if the Bills also had a case full of Lombardi Trophies and were guaranteed tons of prime time games etc.. So not sure why anyone can't understand why Dallas might have been his first choice. He's got 2 SB wins.......it's not like he needed to join the betting favorite because he was ringless and running out of time. It's an issue for @Thurman#1 though.........he has to dismiss it for some reason even though Miller has literally expressed repeatedly that he was torn between the fanless Rams organization and taking bigger money from the Bills.

Such an ignorant take. As I said @eball there are still plenty of people here who try to put blame on Jason Peters and throw shade on his character despite being at worst the second best LT in football(Joe Thomas was around then) in his prime. Clearly, the Bills organization was being run like a f*cking clown show but even now people like Shaw are still dug in on their awful takes of the day. Kyle Williams was a fine Bill.......we enjoyed him in the near complete anonymity of the joke of an organization that Ralph had going post John Butler era. But he was a one gap DT.........he came off the field plenty..........and besides, the average NFL fan thinks Kyle Williams is the 49ers return man who fumbled in the NFC Championship game. So does Google. The Bills KW is otherwise in the hall of never-heard-of-him-or-vaguely-remember-him to fans of other teams. Peters is a Hall of Famer and was a well liked and admired teammate in addition to having incredible longevity. Just own the fact that the Bills made their own bed as a floundering organization in those days. They weren't committed to winning, they made one stupid decision after another wrt personnel which then snowballed and caused them problems with their very best players like Peters and Aaron Schobel. It was a clown show.

Yeah it's not like they were 18-0 and got upset in the playoffs.........they were 7-6 and on the outside of the playoffs looking in going into their December 19 game at home against Carolina. They peaked late and almost got something done......but the story of their season was losing 6 games and blowing a clear path to the SB by not getting homefield in a watered down AFC field record-wise...........not the last second choke on the road in a game where they were otherwise predictably outplayed by the home team Kansas City.

Yeah the pitching has been dominant. 30th consecutive winning season is in the bag. Pitching coach Matt Blake is the organizational MVP. Saving shallow-pockets Hal a ton of money. Offense has a lot of room for improvement but still they have the second best OPS in baseball behind the Dodgers.

Sweep of Tigers. 39-15 at the 1/3 mark of the season.

Maybe tell him to hit the free weights if he says you're getting too heavy.

That may never change. He was part of the bunch of bums that gave up nearly 600 yards rushing in a game against UNC in 2020 at Miami. The business decisions he made in that game were quite impressive. He retired for a year when at UCLA due to the damage caused by concussions so I wouldn't expect that to change.

Yeah he wasn't getting another NFL OC job this soon. He could have had his pick of a lot of top college OC jobs and gotten more money.

It never fails.........the further you get into the offseason the more people forget how the games actually unfold. Their OL was simply terrible for most of 2021. I know they added Kromer but at the same time they are talking about more outside zone running..........even though the secondary reason(behind using Allen like a battering ram) to the OL playing better toward the end was getting away from the outside zone blocking.

Well the visceral hate for Peters on this board was at about 90% in the 5 years or so after his trade.........grudges are still illogically held by some even though they can now see that Bills management was just incompetent. Ask @PromoTheRobot and others who were still trying to critique his play when he was 35 years old. As I said at the time, Peters was an established veteran but he would easily outlast any of those rookies they got in that trade. That was an understatement.........I believe Matt Stafford is the only active position player in the entire NFL left from that draft going into 2022........and Peters is likely to return for his age 40 season. Even last season, 12 years after the trade, he would have been a significant upgrade over Spencer Brown. And at 39 years of age his 2021 PFF grade at LT (77.5) was the same as Dion Dawkins. Amazing player.......as Andy Reid once said "the Peyton Manning of offensive tackles" and no doubt the GOAT of the Bills drought era.

The question is who is good? Basically every team with a winning record in the AL is in playoff position right now. Looks like another top-heavy season for MLB. Easy to find bad teams in both leagues. Offense's continue to be dominated by pitching, everywhere. Yanks have nearly pitched 3 no hitters in a row. The one hit today was an error in normal offensive times. They have only given up 3 runs in the past 5 games. When is the last time a team swept a 3 game series with 3 shutouts? Maybe the Yanks can do that against that assh*le AJ Hinch. What is amazing is that they are winning all of these games and still putting at least 2 automatic 0-4's in the lineup every night between Hicks, Gallo and Higgy. Probably going to want to resolve that issue by the trade deadline because the playoffs will be tough. The way the 2022 playoff system is set up Houston would get either Minnesota or the Angels while Yanks will have to play the much tougher Toronto or Tampa teams to get to play Houston in ALCS and then to get to the Dodgers or Mets. Probably want to add another outfield bat even if the sailing is pretty steady right now. I presume they will fix the seeding issue next year when the league goes to a balanced schedule. Seeding should be based on record and with a balanced schedule there would be no excuse not to do it that way. But right now Houston could end up playing an 85 win team in the division series while the Yanks could end up playing a 100 win AL East team.

There are definitely reasons to hope for better. But the thought was that the Bills had a good, deep OL going into last season. I was a big fan of what Kromer did last time he was in Buffalo. Liked what Bates did in his limited time at the end of the season when the Bills were using a more urgent, desperate approach offensively. Dawkins could bounce back and be better. Maybe Saffold defies father time and plays better than he did last season when he wasn't any better than Daryl Williams. Perhaps Spencer Brown takes a step forward. The depth is a big concern. Ques and Mancz are pretty bad that's why they were vet mins. Ford has been pathetic. Gotta' hope Doyle steps up.

Correct. The Bills had probably the worst OL in the NFL thru the first 12 games or so of 2021. After they fell to 7-6 and were on the outside of the playoffs looking in, they turned Allen into a RB to negate the pass rush and keep the chains moving and traded the extra wear-and-tear on the franchise QB to get back into the playoffs.