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When is he asked to do this? I just simply don't understand how low pass attempts with high rushing attempts doesn't refute this. You said yourself a caretaker hands the ball off and doesn't lose the game for his team. When I watch the Texans this is exactly what I see from Schaub - and the facts back me up relative to rushing and passing attempts.

Now I know you're just messing with me. The Texans rely on the pass to win their games?!?! What in the world? The texans have run the ball 350 times this year! That is the most in the league and only 4 other teams have gone over 300 carries. Conversely they have thrown the ball 335 times this year. Sounds about 50/50 right? Well that amount of attempts is tied for 21st in the league! They are over 100 attempts behind the league leader and it includes the 55 attempts he had yesterday! Where Schaub falls in rankings is objective. You take offense to my use of the word caretaker which is fine but I ask you: is Schaub the reason the Texans are good or is Schaub good because the supporting cast is good? Is Schaub the reason they are 9-1 or is having the best Defense in football the reason? When they make the playoffs will it be because of Schaub or because of the D/running game? T.J. Yates awaits your answer. As for who is on the receiving end being irrelevant... Is Andre Johnson great because he has Matt Schaub throwing him the ball or does Schaub look better because he has Johnson to make the grabs/get open?

How about I say I agree to disagree. I have watched Schaub. A ton. I come away thinking he's good not great. I also come away thinking his role is not to win games instead it is not to lose them. That's why I feel he is a caretaker. How many pro bowls has he gone to? 1 as an injury replacement. Better yet how did Matt Leinhart and then T.J. Yates look when they came in last year? Apparently when you watch the Texans you see an amazing qb. I see an amazing d, the best rb in the game, a top 5 wr, and a pretty good qb. edit: also I would like to know what part of my argument is nonsense?

Brandon Meyers from the Raiders might be worth a look too. He gets a lot of looks and the Raiders have to pass a lot so he puts up some decent numbers

Thank you. I have been thinking about posting this for a while as it seems he posts 5 threads a day. Link only no idea whether I want to click on it or not... Even a quick sample would be appreciated. Not sure about meathead but I do the majority of my tbd'ing on my phone and it certainly takes longer than that. Especially with some of the weird sites that get linked...

Gresham has quietly been a breakout player. I know because I've had to start him all year in place of Hernandez . He does better in a ppr so I hope that's what you're playing...

Nice try on the straw man argument. That was not the only reasons I listed. His stats except for ypa don't jump off the page at you. This is with the benefit of playing with the players I listed. Wow did you read the thread? I have said this isn't a Schaub vs. Fitz argument. I simply said that Schaub, Flacco, and Alex Smith benefit greatly from playing with great Defenses. Fitz would as well. Against the Jags D. He had a great game and I won't discount it... too much. Over half of those yards went to Andre Johnson - 273 and a td. He also accomplished this in almost 5 quarters. Thanks for bringing name calling to the discussion... it always adds a ton. So now he's better than Peyton and Brady? Sorry but if people are going to pull straw man arguments against me I will do the same. Why is his ypa higher thank kelly? It is a completely different game. Why is it higher than Peyton and Brady? They pass much much more and the opposing D has to play against the pass. The Texans offensive philosophy is the exact opposite. They run to set up the pass.

I don't understand how you see them as mutually exclusive. On D they have changed coaches, schemes, and added players (V Davis most notably). Of course Luck is helping out but the D improving has helped as well. If he was there with no difference in the Defense they would not (imo) have all of the wins they have now. Again see Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub, and again best example Alex Smith how a good/great D HELPS the qb.

Just heard an excellent stat and this I believe is the perfect place to put it. How many people think Andrew Luck has turned around the colts? Probably a lot of people.... Not so fast my friend(s).... The Colts have won 6 games already after winning only 2 last year. Many people are attributing this to Andrew Luck but look closer at the numbers. The Defense is giving up 5 points less a game. Not a big deal you say? Well 4 out of the 6 wins the Colts have are by less than 4 points. The defense improving has directly led to more wins. The Bills currently give up 31.7 ppg. That is good enough for last in the league. The idea that you're pushing Alpha that every game would be different is true but how can you discount what the O is doing with a terrible d? The Titans game and Pats game that people want to put on Fitz's shoulder's were not garbage time points. 31 and 34 points were scored legitimately. If anything a better D would give the ball back faster and more often to the offense. That leads to a tired D on the other team and can only help the Offense. Are there better qbs than Fitz? Of course. Are there worse than him? Of course. To think an improved D wouldn't help him out? Well Joe Flacco, Matt Schaub and best example Alex Smith would all like to disagree with that idea.

a little late to the party

Interesting article.... Wonder how many Bills fans feel this way.

They have them for pc games a lot. Black ops 2 has them for pc. Off of the top of my head Mag had dedicated servers but I can't think of anymore (i'm sure there are). As for whether it could be a patch I doubt it. I'm talking out of my ass right now though as my nerdiness ends with me complaining about it and not knowing exactly how they can pull it off. What can I say I'm American! It is possible though and for the biggest game launch yearly almost a necessity. Googling black ops 2 servers brings up a ton of links with discussion about the poor quality of servers.

That is my concern with that idea too. Kelsay would get another extension! Tying it to wins or win percentage would at least put the motivation in their to compete. Luck does play a part and I know owners would balk it. I'm going to be thinking about this one for a bit.... As for the trade itself as a Yankees fan I'm not happy. If Johnson was on the block it would have been great to see him in pinstripes. This smacks of the Beckett Lowell trade that screwed the Yanks for years so this trade!

you sir are among the few lucky ones. Dedicated servers takes the hosting out of the gameplayers hands and puts it on a server hosted by the game company (treyarch in this case). This solves many issues not the least of which is lag and lag switching. The current format is p2p hosting where someone randomly gets assigned as host of the game. Depending on their connection this can be a great benefit to them (move faster, see players earlier, shoot more truer to the aim) or be a great detriment (basically the opposite of the benefits listed). Lag is a huge problem with these games and one that would be improved (not solved unfortunately but still) with dedicated servers. With all of the money they have made from this franchise it would just be them throwing the players a bone. A much deserved but more importantly needed bone.

Shhhh get your logic out of here! Let me go with my pipe dream! Nah kidding. Maybe payroll would work. I just want something anything for the money. Baseball stadiums are so sport specific it's hard to host 2 teams there but the opportunity should be given some way for the municipality to make their money back/guarantee on their investment. Hosting other events, concerts, etc.. I just don't know what the answer is now that you've blown my idea out of the water

Mike and Mike is alright for me. However Greeny's Jets fandom is obnoxious at times I actually don't mind when they have bias and are open about it. SVP show is also quality - he also doesn't hide his bias for all things Maryland/Orioles. That segment with Cuban was fantastic. I just wish it had gone somewhere. Instead this article pinpointed exactly what I couldn't put my finger on - they are entertainment and not news now. They have officially gone the way of fox news

I don't know about that.... It took the mighty T.J. Yates to take the Texans to the playoffs last year

Got me amped! It also helped me come up with a stadium finance solution. The money should be in line with the wins of the organization. These tax payers put up a lot of money for a team they thought was going to try and be competitive only to have the rug pulled out from under them. Loria should have to give some money back if they become uncompetitive. For the Bills I think money should be given directly proportionate to the number of wins. This could be a retroactive thing built into contracts where a certain percentage of wins equals a certain percentage of money given. I think it should be done to all teams where if they want our money then they need to give us what we want. A winning team. It would change the incentive for teams to actually try and win instead of just profiting (I'm looking at you Ralph)

Very good read and echos exactly how I feel. ESPN has become unwatchable. Sportscenter used to be the best show on tv. 90 second highlights of every game and they wouldn't give up who had won until the end. Made me feel like I watched all of the games with the suspense that built. I still enjoy PTI mainly bc of Kornheiser and Wilbon but find my self dvring it and fast forwarding through much of the show. If you watch ESPN in the morning there is no point to watchit later bc it is the same points across all shows. I think I turned during the Favre saga when the anchors started complaining about him and all the coverage he received and I thought then stop covering it! ESPN is starting to ruin sports!

I'm with you on this one. I was hoping against hope that Luck came out when Cam did. I felt like we would end up with one of the 2 and be set up for the future. I'm not against drafting a qb in the 1st this year. I do worry a bit about this class as it seems every player has some warts on them. My main point is Flacco and Schaub have been put in much better situations than Fitz. When I look at that list of playoff teams I see D being the main contributing factor. Of course having an elite qb helps (see my first post in this thread) but think that our D is the #1 thing holding the Bills back. As for the offensive players you've listed. I would say our rbs are on par with the Texans and Ravens (Rice and Foster are spectacular), the receiving corps for both teams are better (Stevie or Andre? Stevie and Nelson or Torrey Smith and Anquan Boldin?), Te's I don't know what to think as Pitta has had flashes, Daniels is excellent when healthy, and Chandler has had flashes (as well as disappearing acts) so I would say it is a wash. The o-line for the Bills is excellent but the Ravens and Texans are good as well. The difference between all of these teams? The D! That's what I meant when I said had nothing to work with (prob a poor choice of words on my part). Average points allowed in the 2012 season Texans 15.9, Ravens 21.8, and Bills dead last at 31.7. Right of the bat Fitz is being asked to score 16 more points than Schaub and 10 more points than Flacco. That is a ton of extra pressure on the qb. Which leads to forcing things and more turnovers.

There is a tranzit mode which appears to be a storyline mode and then the classic mode. Not sure about the third as I generally stick to multi player. It seems good so far too. As usual it's a bit tough to adjust to the graphics and the +100 for kills comes up smaller than I'd like so I find myself shooting dead bodies or stop shooting early as I feel I have put enough in to kill them. I swore I wouldn't buy this unless they had dedicated servers but I'm a sheep. It's really the only game I play anymore and do it more to be social with friends that have moved away. That's a lie I'm at work and can't wait to get home to play!

Of all the things for people to get their panties in a bunch over this can't be one. Miami does have hotter women than Buffalo. Also Reggie just agreed with the hosts. He didn't make some wild declaration.

Have to disagree here. The Jets game was out of hand quickly, Fitz threw some picks so I won't absolve him of blame but I also won't say he was a major contributor. The Tennessee game the D let Chris Johnson explode after being terrible, 1 bad throw does not make him a major factor. As for Houston and SF how many qbs have those defenses made look bad? Again I'm not a Fitz supporter but I won't ignore he is given nothing to work with. The defense is a major facotr in all of the games you listed. Do I want better than Fitz? Yes. Is he the biggest problem on this team? Not even close. How can people say it is his fault when in the 4 games you listed the D gave up a combined 149 points?! edit: because I feel that I'm being taken out of context I will say that yes I think Flacco and Schaub are better than Fitz. I just don't think they are the game changing qbs that some are making them out to be. I thought Flacco turned the corner this year and then I noticed a trend - his home/road performances are in stark contrast to each other. On the road he is very mediocre. That is all. I'm not saying Fitz is great just that he doesn't have nearly the benefits that these 2 have. The most useless stat in SPORTS is qb win/loss. So much more goes into a game - there are 2 other complete phases of the game where the qb doesn't even get to effect the outcome of the game to decide who wins and loses.

Schaub has 23 300+ yard passing games since becoming a starter (64 starts). His "breakout years" of 08-10 where he threw for a combined 12183 yards? Well 4360 (over 1/3) of them went to Andre Johnson who is one of the best wrs in the game. So lets see he has the best rb in the game (which I don't think I need to tell you but it does make passing much easier), one of the best receiver's in the game, and a top 2 defense. So when teams play the Texans they need 7-8 in the box and 2 to cover Johnson leaving 1-2 players to cover other passing options. He is asked to hand the ball off and not turn it over. This is why I consider him a caretaker. His role is to not mess up the teams chances to win. Very different than what is asked of Fitz (not that this is a Fitz vs. Schaub debate).

I read this differently. To me it says if your qb is Manning, Brady, or Roethlisberger you've got a pretty good shot of making the playoffs. I guess Flacco too but he strikes me as that average qb you are talking about. Average qbs have accounted for 1/2 of the playoff slots each year so it is a crapshoot. Also look at the teams: Pats, Steelers, Ravens every year. Pats* it is the qb and receiving corp, Colts all about the qb Jets (2x), Bengals, Texans, Steelers and Ravens it's all about the D Chiefs/Chargers it's all about playing in a sh**ty division. Flacco is excellent at home and average at best (I'd even say worse than average) on the road. Schaub is the definition of a care taker qb. Have either of these qbs been asked to win a game for their team? Could either of these qbs win a game for their team? If you put Schaub or Flacco on the Bills would they better appreciably better?