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Outcry over Bills' personal seat license rollout misguided ??
Only 1.6% of season-ticket account holders (all of whom have premium club-seat locations at the current stadium) have been invited to the Stadium Experience in Amherst
Among the people who have been invited, 96% have visited the Stadium Experience or scheduled a visit, and 75% of the account holders who have visited have signed PSL agreements for club seats.
As soon as this summer, season-ticket holders who currently have lower-bowl seats around midfield will be contacted. The PSL process will continue through the summer of 2026
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3 hours ago, Figster said:
My system has not been tested.
Teams losing on purpose to gain an advantage in the draft does not help the league from an entertainment standpoint.
My system makes teams work to improve...
the closest thing to your idea is tested constantly in the NBA & NHL.....it's called the draft lottery....and it's a disaster.
see the buffalo sabres losing out on drafting connor mcdavid as a prime example.
PLAYERS & COACHES will NEVER lose on purpose...please sight one example in the NFL.
now, i concede that a GM & OWNER can hinder a teams success by not spending to the cap max or upgrading the roster as best they can in hopes of improving their draft spot for maybe one season. but even then, you will never get players and coaches to play along and lose on purpose (see the NY JETS). their future livelihoods are at stake. the colts and andrew luck is the last best example of this by a GM & OWNER not trying their best. it just doesnt happen often enough to completely change the system.
take the rams, one year they win super bowl, the next year they miss the playoffs....coached the same.
PARITY is good. the current draft format is one of many ways the NFL achieves parity. a semi-hard Salary cap. free agency. roster size. the schedule where 1st place teams play each other, so one must lose, while 4th place teams play each other, so one must win. last to first place stories happen more in the NFL than the rest of the major sports combined.
nobody is losing on purpose. badly managed teams get GM's & Coaches fired pretty quick.
besides, somebody could game your system too if they wanted. whats better, being the last team in the playoffs and losing first game or being the first team out of playoffs and getting the first pick ?......getting the first pick will almost always be better.....therefore the potential for losing on purpose still exists.
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this is my current understanding. i have not met with the bills yet to confirm any of these answers
If a the PSL is purchased and financed over a 10 year period, and the buyer defaults, dies, changes their mind, etc.
(IF YOU FAIL TO PURCHASE TIX, YOU LOSE THE PSL. the bills can resell it. you must sell your PSL before deciding to stop buying tix)
Is that PSL re-sold at original cost or is it sold for the balance owed?
( YOU LIST IT ON A SPECIFIC AFTER MARKET FOR PSL's TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER. could be higher, guessing likely lower)
If the PSL is paid in full, but the owner elects not to renew season tickets, what then?(YOU FORFEIT THE PSL. best to sell the PSL before not renewing)
Does the PSL owner still retain ‘ownership’ of those seats but the Bills can sell tickets for them?
(NO, ownership reverts back to bills. you of course can sell individual games on the NFL TICKETEXCHANGE....but expect a crackdown on selling most like that. see the letter the SABRES sent to season ticket holders who sell half or more. they must buy a NY state Broker license for about $5,000)
Can owners of PSLs sell them privately or do they have to go back to the Bills?
(YOU SELL THEM PRIVATELY ON A PSL MARKET PLACE) guessing there will be a way to sell them directly to a friend or family member bypassing the PSL marketplace.
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WBEN has learned from highly informed sources that the early season ticket retention rate thus far is in the 75% range.
Poloncarz believe the Bills are testing the PSL market with the higher end seating and expects they will adjust the costs for the remaining PSL's, based on that outcome. The county executive believes the costs should be known for all up front.
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2 hours ago, Einstein said:
Yes. So much information being skimmed and disregarded in order to move the conversation into a territory it was never originated to be in. This thread is a microcosm of the world.
Person A: Tomatoes are a fruit.
Person B: Ugh, but Apples are a red fruit and they don’t taste like tomatoes.
Person A: Okay? But we aren’t talking about Apples, we are talking about Tomatoes.
Person B: So you don’t like Tomatoes
Person A: I never said that. I just said they’re a fruit.
Person B: I’m a botanist, I have a degree in seeds, why are you so angry?
Person A: I’m not angry. I’m just telling you that Tomatoes are a fruit.
Person B: What is your issue with tomatoes!?!?
Person A: Huh!? (this is where I am now)
so, back to the personal store license (PSL) required, in order to buy these tomatoes
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1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:
That article is over a year old now. The high end is much higher than the speculated $16,500. I see the low end being much higher than $500. I see it closer to $2500 of higher.
imo.....in order to save face....it's highly likely "some" PSL's will be $1,000
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Bills' potential PSL prices for new stadium range from $500 to $16,500
" Pegula Sports & Entertainment Exec VP Ron Raccuia said that the Bills "will most likely have the lowest personal seat license prices of any team with a new stadium" built since '09 and are "making an effort to keep prices market-friendly" (BUFFALO NEWS, 5/12).
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Daily/Issues/2022/05/12/Franchises/Bills.aspx
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normally i would say more likely to move up in first......but losing that 3rd round comp pick threw a wrench in beane's plan.
currently bills pick #28th. if we used our 2nd round pick (which is highly UNlikely) we could move up 11 spots, all the way to #17 (jax).
if we used a 4th round pick....you can move up 2 spots in the first (not much, but possible). a 3rd would have moved up 5 spots.
there is so much value in a 2nd round pick (talent/cap hit)...i cant see beane giving that away....if he did it would only be for a WR1 (preparing for life after diggs).
this year id say beane tries to use both his 4th's to move up in each of 1st & 2nd (BPA - WR1, EDGE, OL).....but stays at #28
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What happens to the PSL after 30 years ?
is it worth zero ? will they start a new PSL for renovations ?
i know the PSL has a life limit of 30 years which lines up with the bills new stadium lease for 30 years.
in an over simplification.....if you paid $30,000 for your PSL isnt it depreciating by $1,000 a year, so that after 20 years you go to sell it, there is only 10 years left on the PSL.....so might the approximate value be $10,000 for the remaining 10 years ? it's possible they appreciate, but i would think not in our market.
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initial cost estimate of new stadium $1.4 Billion
current cost estimate of new stadium $1.7 Billion
likely final cost estimate of new stadium $2.0 Billion
NY State Contribution $600 million (not part of that "construction costs" is an additional $280 million for maintenance over 30 years)
NFL & Bills Contribution $550 million (of which Pegula's portion is $350 million)
Erie County Contribution $250 million
SUB TOTAL Contribution $1.4 Billion (initial est)
Pegulas are responsible for any and all cost over runs....currently at $300 million and rising.
Projected to raise $200 million thru PSL's
so, if you factor in cost over runs....i say he will contribute $750 - $800 million or 35- 40%
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42 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:
Quick question that I hope you have the answer.
is there a set amount via the funding agreement with State/County/Bills that states a set amount that can raised via PSL? So a cap of say $120M through PSL purchase.
or is it the Pegulas have to fund say $500m( I don’t know the actual #) and if they can raise 100% of through PSLs, that ls great for them!
thanks
from everything i've read....
there is no "set" amount
they have stated publicly a target of $200 mil thru PSL's
there is no "cap" ....they are free to raise as much as they can
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how about a real estate analogy (i'm sure this has already been made)
price of the home = PSL one time fee (price varies per location)
all the taxes = price of the yearly ticket (price varies per location)
if you dont pay your yearly taxes, you may lose the house to foreclosure before you sell it
squatter = someone is sitting in your seat....lol
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beane likes to trade up
that's why he's so mad about losing that 3rd round comp.....he wanted to use it, now he's gotta use his 2nd, which is not ideal
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no.....we don't need drama
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6 minutes ago, Einstein said:
So they’ll end up paying 5 to 10% of the stadium cost?
i edited my post.....Pegula's portion of the "NFL & Bills" $550 mil is $350 mil
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initial cost estimate of new stadium $1.4 Billion
current cost estimate of new stadium $1.7 Billion
likely final cost estimate of new stadium $2.0 Billion
NY State Contribution $600 million (not part of "construction costs" is an additional $280 million for maintenance over 30 years)
NFL & Bills Contribution $550 million (Pegula's portion is $350 million)
Erie County Contribution $250 million
SUB TOTAL Contribution $1.4 Billion
Pegulas are responsible for any and all cost over runs....currently at $300 million and rising.
Projected to raise $200 million in PSL's
so, if you factor in cost over runs....i say he will contribute $800 million or 40%
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3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
As @K-9 would say......."Would they like to have global marketing rights to the entire planet? Sure." But of all NFL teams we still have the largest confirmed stockpile of nuclear weapons in areas we are most beloved. And Canada too.
if this was the game of RISK.....i like tampa's position......lol
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no....not a first rounder
i would'nt even use a second rounder
i would use a 4th.....which might move you up 2 or 3 spots
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5 minutes ago, freddyjj said:
4 reasons to toast Ralph
- Brought AFL/NFL to WNY.
- Bailed out Raiders in AFL days
- Saved the Patriots from going under too
- Left $1.2 billion in his foundation to assist Detroit and BUF
Thanks Ralph! RIP.
salute
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The rule requires officials to note two actions: If a defender "grabs the runner with both hands or wraps the runner with both arms" and also "unweights himself by swiveling and dropping his hips and/or lower body, landing on and trapping the runner's leg(s) at or below the knee."
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way too many injuries from hip drop tackles
reckless and dangerous....just like a horse collar tackle
will it be hard to apply with consistency from ref to ref....yes, just like lots of other rules
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total class act
outplayed his contract almost every year
a great bill
lost a step or two of speed at the end
wish him the best....except of course when he plays us
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i agree we have not taken a step back.....
but neither has half the league...
in fact, i think the 2024 team will be better than 2023 and beane isn't even done improving.
need to wait and see how this things shake out for everyone.
but according to neutral las vegas betting odds....bills currently have the 4th best chance to win it....which is pretty darn good, but probably where we were last year.
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absolutely !
time to draft WR1 in first round.......prepare for life after diggs
PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by papazoid
all the 2023 different levels of pricing by section/area
https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/upload/v1676471808/bills/e7wdwwstbcqf3p4xru8v.jpg
assuming they are taking each different class/price one by one. starting with the highest price. then going by seniority within that group.