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32 GM's calling one another....
Q: what do you want for pick # _______ ?
A: what are you offering
you first, no you first
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1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:
No. Labatt Blue/Rockpile section
i'm in 202......expecting a call in 2025
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several players in this mock still avail consensus rated higher than Thomas
mitchell, chop robinson, Arnold, Latham, Fautanu, DeJean
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all the QB needy teams are a total wild card
NYG, MIN, DEN, LV
it's going to be fun........just waiting for the bills logo to pop up.......we have a trade.....lol
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7 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said:
So there seems to be a lot of smoke regarding Worthy. I'm not totally opposed to it, but have flashbacks of Goodwin and/or Graham. My question is, if Worthy ran a 4.4 40 and not the fastest ever, would he still be regarded as a 1st round wr?
if tyreek hill ran 4.4 instead of 4.29 would he still be called cheetah ?
but to answer your question..... without that 4.21 speed ...worthy would NOT be regarded as a 1st round wr.
speed kills.....but lots of fast guys never make it in the nfl.
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these WR will likely be there at #28:
Adonai Mitchell
Xavier Worthy
Ladd McConkey
Early 2nd round:
Xavier Legette
Troy Franklin
Keon Coleman
JaLynn Polk
funny thing is, if KC picks any of them at #32 they will be praised.
if Buffalo picked that same player at #28 they will have reached
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while i agree there is a need......it's not getting done thru this years draft alone. the perceived holes should be filled with cheap veterans.
we have 5 premium picks between this year and next ( 2024 1st & 2nd and 2025 1st and two 2nd's) we need to keep them all.
first priority is WR1 this year.....with 6-7 wr's with a first round grade, it shouldn't be a problem.
moving up from #28 just a couple spots only using our extra 4th & 5th's is all i would do. mortgaging those future premium picks to move up into this years top 10 is foolish.
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left wing lock
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nothing last forever....but the bills will remain in WNY for a very long time.....stop fretting
and in the unlikely event some new owner after the pegulas, winds up moving the team.....i will still cheer for them.
it'll be a sad day....but life and wealth roll on.
my enjoyment of the Bills and NFL football will never wane.
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11 hours ago, LEBills said:
We now have 7 drafts in the books where McDermott has been involved in the draft and 6 with Beane. In those 7 years, the Bills have drafted 7 players from three different coaching trees which may provide a hint to targets in the 2024 draft:
Billy Napier (Florida Gators)
O’Cyrus Torrence - 2023 second round
Justin Shorter - 2023 fifth round
Kaiir Elam - 2022 first round
Dave Aranda (LSU and Baylor)
Terrel Bernard - 2022 third round
Tre White - 2017 first round
Manny Diaz (Miami and Penn State)
Greg Rousseau - 2021 first round
Jaquan Johnson - 2019 sixth round
2024 Draftable players from these coaches include -
Billy Napier:
Ricky Pearsall, WR, projected Day 2 - Pearsall transferred in Napiers first year at Florida from ASU. Put up excellent Senior Bowl and Combine performances and is getting a lot of hype as a top 50 player in the draft.
Dave Aranda:
Gabe Hall, DT, projected Day 3 - Hall is a tall, long DT. Rushes high do to his height and may be best as a 3-4 end. 2 time entrant in Dane Bruglers Freaks list.
Manny Diaz:
Kamren kinchens, S, Day 2 - Kinchens is a productive, ball hawking safety that started as a true Freshman in 2021. He recently tested poorly at the combine.
James Williams, S/LB, Day 3 - A 6’4’’ safety who is better coming downhill and may need a change of position in the NFL
Leonard Taylor, DT, Day 3 - all hype and talent with very little production
(All three Hurricanes were recruited to Miami for Diaz’s final year in 2021 and all played as Freshmen.)Chop Robinson, DE, Round 1 - Explosive pass rusher that is learning to translate traits into production
Adisa Isaac, DE, Round 2-3 - The more productive of the PSU edge defenders.
Kalen king, CB, Day 3 - once thought to be the next star college corner, his play has tapered off and measurables are only average. Move to safety possible.
Johnny Dixon, CB, Day 3 - small aggressive corner who likely will be a nickel cornerback in the NFL
Curtis Jacobs LB, Day 3- a leader at Penn State, a bigger linebacker more suited against the run
Any Buffalo Bills?
Highest chance (imo):
1.) Kamren Kinchens - I think Kinchens is the most likely to match need and draft range. Kinchens really disappointed at the combine but just prior to Kinchens testing Beane was quoted as saying ‘“I think instincts are really big at safety. If you’re telling me, ‘you can have an athletic guy that’s a 4.3 (in the forty yard dash), 4.4 safety but he doesn’t have instincts,’ I’ll take the 4.6 guy with instincts, ball skills, and a little less range.”’ Kinchens has 11 interceptions in his past 2 collegiate years. We also just hired Jahmile Addae as our CB coach after he was Kinchens DB coach for the past two years.
2.) Adissa Isaac - Isaac fits the body type the Bills tend to like with long arms. He was a team captain this year and led the team in sacks in 2023. Also reported to be a good character player who does a lot for the special needs community of which all of his siblings belong. Bills were reported to have met with Isaac at his Pro Day where he had an excellent performance according to reports. PSU is considered a local school for the Bills and so if they do bring him in it does not count against the top 30 visits.
3.) Ricky Pearsall - If the Bills do decide not to go WR at 28, Pearsall may be in play at 60. Though he did play in the slot about 60% of the time, McBeane may see a good WR4 candidate that can learn all the WR positions. In last years post draft conference, Beane joked about how he should get an office at UofF due to the amount of Florida players they picked up in the last two drafts.
Final Thoughts:
Though the Bills have drafted from these coaching trees pretty consistently, it does not happen every year (2018, 2020) so it may not happen this year. Also missing that third round pick may make it difficult for the Bills to have a chance at some of the prospects listed as many could be gone between pick 60 and 128. And the Bills have predominantly selected from these coaching trees in the first three rounds (5 of 7 pick).
I do think it goes to show the Bills willingness to take chances on guys that may not exactly fit their past schemes (Elam, Torrence), or didn’t test too well (Rousseau, Johnson, Benford, Tre) when these players are tied to coaching staffs they trust.
bravo.....well done
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does a pass completed to an opposing player count ?...... NO ?!?!? ..... dang it, i had a feeling you would say that
ok...ok.....in 4 quarters.....lets assume (correctly) i'm going 3 and out on every possession and my defense is average.
thats 6 possessions/game X 3 passes = 18 total passes in the game.
my strategy would be to chuck the ball (the moment i catch the snap, quickest release in the league) as far as i could (15 yards) in the general vacinity of kincaid and knox (no way i could reach a WR)
of those 18 prayers.....kincaid grabs 2 and knox 1
Final Answer 3
P.S. this assumes my Oline keeps me clean. first contact by defense, of any kind, i'm going down and staying down. get the stretcher.
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4 minutes ago, Einstein said:
It could be part of it, but unless the Bills are run by incredibly inept executives (I don't think they are), then they would have surely had overruns calculated in. This is an internal figure and is typically only surprising to the public (not the company). At no point do you go into a $1.4B project not expecting at least a 20% variance (I believe McKinsey reported a few years back that the average overrun is 25%), which would be nearly $300M budgeted for overruns alone.
PSL money is State money with the Bills acting as agents thereof. Its also not taxed. Every dollar the Bills can produce as agents of PSL's reduces their burden toward the stadium by about $1.087."who gave the order?"
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17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
Selling the Sabres means the team moves. No one will play what the Sabres are worth to keep the team here. Not when Houston and Atlanta want teams.
where theres smoke theres fire??
maybe the pegulas initial thought to raise capital was to sell 100% of everything but the bills. then after a few feelers, realized what you are saying was true. word of that leaked fast. but pegula doesnt want to hurt wny so he switched to the 25% bills.
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if the new stadium seats 63k and they hold back 10% for individual sale.
that leaves 57k for PSL & STH
one way or another....they are selling out all 57k
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6 minutes ago, Einstein said:
The Buffalo News reported that 1 of ever 4 Season Ticket Holders are choosing not to buy them at their PSL appointments. Some posters have theorized that a percentage of those people may end up purchasing in less-expensive sections than they currently sit so that number may be lower in time, which I think is a fair argument.
Where it gets tricky is whether we can actually trust this number. I don't have any evidence for this, but understanding how organizations think, my hypothesis is that this 25% number is actually a bit higher, and that the Bills are using corporate buys to bump that number (with the goal of creating scarcity). We have seen in other stadiums (Jets and Atlanta for example), that the teams have had to lower prices to sell all of the PSL's.
Whether this all lines up with the Bills internal KPI's is unknown, but I have my doubts on whether Pegula would be raising capital via the sale of a portion of the team if PSL's were selling like hot cakes. My hypothesis is that they were using the club seats as a benchmark for forecasting the remainder of the stadium and they are now realizing that the prices they will be able to charge for other areas will not be as high as they had hoped. Lower prices -> increase % of sold -> raise capital elsewhere.PSL's are expected to raise $100-200 million
the cost over runs of the new stadium are already $300 mil and likely rising to as much as $600 mil or more
irregardless of the PSL success, that doesn't cover the significant cash he needs for the stadium cost over runs
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5 minutes ago, SDS said:
Is there any evidence that the PSL‘s are selling poorly?
not to my way of thinking
but the sample size is small.....it was reported that 75% of the account holders who went thru the "experience" signed up for the new stadium PSL & tix. but that was all the more affluent club seat holders. also, that doesn't factor in how many of the 25% who didn't, will purchase in a lower price area on their 2nd chance.
the real test comes when they move to the lower bowl with the so called average joes
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7 minutes ago, mrags said:
I don’t follow hockey, nor do I really care. And this probably deserves its own link but it’s a football message board. But I just saw this too. Doesn’t seem like a very in depth article. Take it for what it’s worth.
that source is unverified and has been since refuted:
The team issued this statement Friday afternoon:
"The Pegula family has retained Allen & Company to explore the potential sale of a non-controlling, minority interest in the Bills. These discussions only involve the Bills and no other team. No investment would be possible without Terry Pegula and the Pegula family maintaining a controlling interest in the team. Their continued commitment to Western New York, the new Highmark Stadium, our fans, and the other teams in their portfolio remains unchanged. Neither the team nor the Pegula family are able to comment further at this point.”
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4 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:
Doesn’t the team have to pay back the NFL loan - comes out of gate receipts or something like that?
Under the G4 program rules, Bills owners Terry and Kim Pegula would be required to put up matching dollars which would increase the private funding to at least $400 million for the new stadium.
Owners created a successor to the G-4 stadium financing program this week, allowing teams to continue to borrow from the NFL to build or renovate stadiums. Final approval of the G-5 edition had emerged as an urgent matter with major construction projects popping up around the league and the current program at capacity. It will broadly resemble prior generations, with bigger numbers and some tweaks.
Each team will be able to tap up to $300 million -- up from G4's $200 million ceiling -- for construction/renovations from the league if they match that with their own money and get some degree of government assistance (purely private projects are not eligible). It comes in three tranches of $100 million each, with different conditions for each bucket. Teams repay the loans partly by using funds that would normally be subject to revenue sharing.https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2023/12/14/nfl-g5-program
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is josh healthy ?
if yes.....big chance
if no......NO chance
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initial cost estimate of new stadium $1.4 Billion
current cost estimate of new stadium $1.7 Billion
likely final cost estimate of new stadium $2.0 Billion
NY State Contribution $600 million (not part of "construction costs" is an additional $280 million for maintenance over 30 years)
NFL & Bills Contribution $550 million (Pegula's portion is $350 million)
Erie County Contribution $250 million
SUB TOTAL Contribution $1.4 Billion
Pegulas are responsible for any and all cost over runs....currently at $300 million and rising.
Projected to raise $200 million in PSL's
so, if you factor in cost over runs....i say he will pay $750 million or +35% of his own money
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a minority stake improves your chances on a path to majority stake
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4 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:
If we all kick 100% of our cash we got 5%. Know anybody to cover the the other 20%? We’re good for it, riiiiggghhhtt?
5% of $3 Billion is $150 mil....
mark me down as skeptical this collective forum has that cash
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17 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Kroenke started as a minority owner in St Louis....
Bisciotti was a minority owner of the Ravens
Tepper was a minority owner of the Steelers
Haslam was a minority owner of the Steelers
Ross started with 50% of Dolphins
Gimme Five draft contest - WR edition- WIN REAL BILLS $$
in The Stadium Wall
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Marvin Harrison Jr., Ohio State - NYG
Rome Odunze, Washington - BUF
Ladd McConkey, Georgia - KC
Brian Thomas Jr., LSU - INDY
Xavier Worthy Texas- JAX
Bonus Bills pick -