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So many different areas to pick this a part, apart from the fact that the ads are distortions of the truth. Where to begin, where to begin? First, the original ad was a closing of a plant that was going to bankrupt if Bain had never stepped in, so the fact that they invested and risked capital gave a lease of new life for an additional 9 years. So those misguided workers that were on those ads should be thanking Bain capital for giving them employment for an additional 9 years. Second, the closing of that plant occured in 2001, Romney left Bain capital in 1999, and to make things worse, the person in charge at Bain in 2001 is an Obama campaign money bundler Then there is this: My link Then there is this: So the message here is, Mitt Romney doesn't share the values that I do, which is we need more "fairness" (code word for wealth distribution) in our economic system, yet I'll happily take the money of those that don't share my views. Yeah, okey dokey. You guys happen to catch Bookers youtube video where he sorta walked back his comments? You know the one where the Obama administration edited the video to fit their narrative, the one where if you would of placed an AL Qaeda banner as a backdrop it would of been a perfect parallel to a forced statement of that of a hostage video. Ok, so Obamas campaign manager is caught lying. No big deal. Here is the hostage video btw, it rocks!

Sure sure, you keep telling yourself that.

I honestly try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

So this is what you've been reduced to? I understand when there is nothing more substantive to say that it can be tempting to indulge in mindless blather. But this takes the cake.

You're an idiot.

No, I will knock him because the environment he has created includes an overzealous EPA that has created tons of regulations at the expense of drilling and coal jobs. Also, I lost my job because of Dodd Frank and I know many others that have as well, and there are alot of businesses that arent creating jobs because of regulations. So yes, the president gets a failing mark in not creating a proper environment for job creation. And no, he was creating jobs and lots of them. You can keep saying that as many times that you like, it's not going to change the fact that they created thousands of jobs.

How did I not catch that? Only a liberal believes that the job of the president is to "create jobs" That right there just shows that NewBills is ill-equipped to discuss this topic with substance. The presidents job is not to create jobs, it is to create an enviroment that allows job creation to thrive.

Again, you miss the point. Obama use to be a community organizer and he used those skills to get where he is. I happen to believe that a CEO of a private equity firm fits perfectly for being the President. CEOs of private equity firms are "turn around guys", they recognize waste, areas of potential demand, then streamline them and then execute. And yes, the term "destroyed" means 1.Put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it. 2.Completely ruin or spoil (something). Did Bain capital damage these companies? Did Bain capital ruin them? Nope, they were lost, thats the term, lost because the business model no longer work. So to answer your question, you spoke a mistruth by characterizing it as "destroyed". And the fact that you quoted this, just shows that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how capitalism works. People don't create businesses so that they can create jobs, they create businesses so that they can profit. It is as a result of profits and growth that allows for job creation to occur. You should really quit while you are way behind, I have thoroughly debunked every point you made.

Yes, I am a finance guy, thats my field and I admire Bain capital, and it's not retardation, it's defending untruths from nitwits who have little to offer other than mistruths. Oh, and lets not forget you characterized it as "destroyed" jobs, by your own words, not mine, I guess that makes you a retard. So that's your response to my question. Then why did you even quote it? I mean there is only one president.

Oh yes, whiny as hell. And psss, it's not me bowing down, thats Obama. Oh and btw, Name me a business who's main goal is to create jobs.

Nevermind the fact that you have no idea what Private equity is about and that you are woefully misinformed when it comes to this subject, but relax, no need to get upset. He created lots of money and jobs and he's not gonna take your left wing advice and just ignore the thousands of jobs that were created under his superb management. It was because of his tremendous success that the Salt Lake City Olympics entrusted him to turn around what was about to be a national embarrassment riddled with inefficiences into a smoothly run event. Most people who don't have a political agenda and reside in the middle don't buy into your characterization of events, that stuff is for the loons. "I never thought of what I do for a living as job creation," And name me one business who's main goal is to create jobs? So again, relax bro, no need to get all whiny

No, it's not a miscalculation at all, the left would like for Romney to say that, but he won't and he shouldn't. There is nothing more that the left wants, which is to tear down and distort the truth, because they know that ROmney has them beat hands down, when it comes to understanding the economy. Fact is that they did create alot more jobs than were lost. And no, you're characterization of "destroyed" is a left-wing or political opponent one that has absolutely no truth to it whatsover. Bain capital invested in startups and businesses that were struggling, if it wasn't for private equity firms, we would have alot less businesses here in the US than we have today. The primary duty of any business is to produce a profit, I don't care if it's a mom and pop store, a multibillion dollar corporation or a private equity firm. It is through good sound business and profits where jobs are normally created and that's what Bain capital did. It created thousands and thousands of jobs through a superbly run outfit. So too bad, they won't listen to left wing advice of not touting his accomplishments, which was that they created tremendous wealth for their investors, themselves, pension funds and did create many jobs. Investing and risking your own capital is what drives this country, you win some and lose some, but that's the American way, And Romney personifies AMerican business excellence. Romney will win the independent vote, you can take that to the bank.

Nope, its a political opponent narrative, which of course has been debunked.

You do realize that you are heading towards DinDom don't you?

That's how ads work best, with generalities, not specifics. You don't like it, because he isn't the one you are supporting and thats natural. However, it will work well with independents and thats what matters.

It's a television ad, it's not suppose to go into detail Simplicity is best, it's positive while at the same time hitting Obama on his weakness. It's a good ad, even got high marks On MSNBC Morning Joe's panel this morning. Its already gotten good reviews, and I've been keeping up with this long enough to recognize whatworks and what doesn't, and this one clearly does.

Actually its a very good ad. It highlights Obamas weakness on Keystone and his deeply unpopular signature piece of legislation and paints a simple, stark contrast in what Romney would do immediately. It marks high and will poll test well. Almost all ads will be in the battle ground states.

No offense taken, and yes I can say that with 99% certainty. So naturally you may ask, how could you possibly be so certain? Why thats an excellent question Cbiscuit. Considering that the last 12 polls that came out, Romney is leading anywhere from 5 to 13 points. In the 2008 elections Obama won independents b 7 points. So, simple math and common sense tells you that there are more people switching from Team O to Team R than from Team Mc to team O. And, maybe this development is occuring because people are tired of Obama "crapping" on the economy. Yet he is running neck and neck with the incumbent. Liberal or conservative.....doesn't matter.... Obama is a really weak incumbent president...... We're talking about potential Jimmy Carter level weaknes....

Here's the deal, you initially rushed to judgement and you were wrong. It appears that Zimmerman overstepped his bounds and should have never of ignored the 911 call, because of that fateful decision, Trayvon is dead. Having said that, the photos and I witness accounts corroborate Zimmermans allegation of self-defense. First off, Zimmerman is skinny and like 5 foot 4 , so he isn't a big guy by any stretch of the imagination. Second, he had gashes in the back of his head, a bloodied possible broken nose and bruises to the face. According to a witness he was being straddled like an M & A fighter, and then lastly the gun shot wound was from anywhere from 1 to 18 inches of distance. In regards to self-defense, it looks pretty clear. The allegations of Zimmerman hunting down Trayvon or killing him in cold-blood dont match up with the facts. The D.A overzealously charged Zimmerman with 2nd degre murder simply because she succumbed to public pressure and as a result, screwed up the case. She should of charged him with a manslaughter charge, There is just no way that he will get charged for second degree murder, now this is going to be a real cluster !@#$. There will be a segment of the population who will want him to be convicted of murder, but the facts tell differently. They need to try to plea bargain ASAP, reduce it to man slaughter. But if you are Zimmermans defense, you gotta ask yourself "why should we?" Considering they have lots of physical evidence, the close up gun shot wound and several I witnesss that support their case,they win this easily in a court of law. Remember, this is being tried as a second degree murder, so the merits of the argument that Zimmerman ignored the 911 call don't suggest murder. If it had been a manslaughter case, then the argument would of been much easier to make. This is gonna get ugly, I think its almost a forgone conclusion that we will see rioting on the streets once he has been found innocent.

So you complain about a state that has a hiring boom, with above average wages with 3% unemployment, but mum on a state that has a 16 Billion dollar shortfall, sky high taxes, polled as he worst place to do business in the US, crappy educational system, 10% unemployment and one of the most corrupt public sector unions in his country?

Name some people here that believe Obama was born outside of the US

A good piece from Kimberly Strassel http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303360504577410573651845802.html

It would certainly be a quite potent dynamic. Could go either way, could be a unifying galvanizing sort of an event for the president or it could be very negative for him as well. The problem with this is that the two previous unifying war related events was right after 9/11 and there was alot of support for Americans going into Afghanistan and the killing of Bin Laden. Both of them were easily defined and not too difficult to justify the decisions for the actions. In this case, there is no clear cut victory. The best that could happen is that they disable the nuclear facilities and delay the process. This is not a mission that would include the ousting of their leaders, and the likelyhood of their being some sort of protracted lashback is quite high. The risks for Obama is that the Israelis and Iran and it's proxy's trade fire for an extended period of time, in the meantime gasoline prices go up anywhere from 50 cents at a very minimum to as high as $5 a gallon. The country is already war fatigued and are in no mood to see higher gasoline prices, specially now considering that the economy could very well dip down to below 1.5% GDP growth. My guess is that Obama would do a 180, have a nationally televised speech, as he should, and speak of the dire need to stop Iran from getting Nuclear capabilities and begin justifying the need to be proactive about the situation. That would be my guess.

You can beg all you like, we'll just have to disagree.

Yes and it is a vulnerability. MSNBC Brashir and ODonnel have both had hit piece segments on it. The Obama campaign has said it is off limits, similar to Romneys denouncement today of Jeremiah Wrights. It will be brought up, I suspect once they start panicking, (which they are getting close to that level now) you will see factions of the media do the presidents dirty bidding.