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Oh Boy, the Birthers are gonna love this.
Magox replied to erynthered's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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Racial? What are you talking about? Did you not hear some of his sermons? Its completely legitimate to bring to light that Obama attended his church for over 20 years and all the way up unto 2008. The question is why did he attend his church for over two decades when we know that Jeremiah Wright is a full blown anti-semite and had many other crazy views. Thats a fair question to ask and remind some voters that this is who president Obama decided to attend church with his family for a long period of time. It's fair to further examine Wrights views, specially knowing that they had a pretty close relationship with one another. If I was Romney, I would distance myself from this, but for a superpac to go after it, I think it's logical. Mind you, everything I'm speaking here is from a political POV. I like talking politics, specially the wonky side of it, but I also like talking political strategy. And this is a strategy that can work, it just has to be crafted and targetted correctly.
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It has to be done right and targeted in specific areas, preferably white working class socially conservative democratic voting districts. These guys arent enamored with Obama as it is, and they don't like Romney either, but they tend to vote Democrat. If you can influence them enough by reminding them who Obama is at his core, then a good chance that a decent portion of them will not come out to vote. Many districts like this in Ohio, PA come to mind. Again, the other side is gonna go with the character assasination attempts, then it's only fair to return fire. Also, the Obama campaign is very concerned with this, even David Plouffe in 2008 thought this could have been the issue to have cost Obama the election. You can see with their reactions in how desperately they want to get in front of this and intimidate anyone who dares bring this subject up. Now you want to fix it? you're such a weaselly little hypocrite
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Damn straight! It's at the state and local level where the most corruption is on full display. If anyone wants to truly have an interest and point a finger at anyone for all the state/local gov. layoffs, you blame the corrupt politicians and public sector unions. Listening to some from the left whine about money and politics now is hilarious. Now all of a sudden they have a problem with it, even though the public sector unions have been bending us over for years.
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Yeah, but at the end of the day, they are all getting exposed for contributing and most seem to be fine with that. The playing field is even, and now we have a fair fight, which is the way it should be.
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Holy hypocritical Batman!
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Funny how people NOW see a problem with money and politics, but when the Unions were buying elections, not a peep from the left, now that businesses wants to influence elections there is all this outrage. Sorry, but all this whining from the left is falling on deaf ears, and I gotta tell ya, I'm glad they exist.
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Nope, too late for compromise on this issue. Unions have unfairly influenced elections at the expense of the taxpayer for too long, and now that there is an opportunity for conservatives to finally have large contributions,you want compromise? yeah right! Maybe in about 30 years we can revisit this "compromise"
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That is correct, and now that the playing field is getting evened out, you have the little whiny bitches coming out and crying foul. (see fjl2nd) I'm glad they are there, it gives an opportunity to examine the record of our elected officials under microscope. For far too long Unions gave a huge advantage to Democrats, just in 2008 alone, 3 out of the top four contributors were Unions.
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What's sad is your ignorance.
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Oh Boy, the Birthers are gonna love this.
Magox replied to erynthered's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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What are you, 13? So after I just made mincemeat of your fallacious (or ignorant) claim, I'm guessing the latter, now you deviate to another point? Who cares? As long as Romney has the money along with the SUperPacs, which he will, thats all that matters. ANd I'm glad that all this "dirty" money is making little whiny bitches cry foul about it. Get use to it, because the hammer is gonna get dropped on Obama's miserable record, and thank goodness that there is this money to expose Obama for the failure he has been on both he economy and the debt.
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Even Steve Rattner, ardent supporter of Obama and his former car czar knows that this is nonsense. Everyone in the world of finance knows that Bain Capital was one of the best Private Equity firms in the business. Do you even know what quality Private equity firms do? They invest in either start up or struggling companies. They provide capital infusions, trim fat, streamline products, market them and restructure accordingly. In other words, most of these companies were going to go out of business and with the help of these private equity firms they have a fighting chance at staying alive. Bain Capital is universally recognized as the cream of the crop. They not only created lots of jobs, which is not the focus of any business, but they created wealth for investors which included pension funds. So while only partisans, dimwits and lemmings believe that Bain capital "showed how wonderful bain was to middle class workers whse companies they killed while getting rich and 'improving' the economy" storlyline, lets really think this out for a second. Try taking off your ideological goggles for a second and think about this . Do you really believe that the Salt Lake City Olympic committee would go out and hire out of all people, Gordon Gekko the "vulture capitalist" to help turn around the Olympics that the US was hosting, when it was riddled with debt, inefficiencies and bordering on becoming a national embarrassment? You really believe they would do that?
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Because the way they are structured now, there can be more money given through the SUPERPACS on behalf of individuals and corporations then the way it use to be structured. I have no problem with this, Unions dominated campaign financing for years, and all these states that are having to slash budgets can blame the public sector unions and the corrupt politicians who pandered for their money at the expense of childrens education and the local/state taxpayers, and now when the cuts are coming, they have the nerve to blame conservatives for the current layoffs that they themselves brokered. That's like someone lighting a fire on a house and then calling the fire department to put out the fire, only for the fire department to not get there on time, and have the same person who lit the fire come out and criticize the fire department for not getting there on time.
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Yet they believe that Romney will be better for the economy. Go figure.
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With the SuperPacs, the total amount of money to be spent on behalf of the campaigns, its quite possible that there will be more money spent for Romney than Obama. It will be close, unlike 2008.
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Before you embarrass yourself any further, make sure you at least know what you are talking about. http://www.opensecrets.org/527s/527contribs.php?cycle=2008 http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php The Unions were by far the largest political contributors in the 2008 election cycle, I support the Super Pacs. I think it was a good decision to have come out of the Supreme Court. Obama spent 740 Million dollars in 2008 and McCain spent 330 Million. Of course they weren't complaining then, now that they see that may lose the money edge, they cry like little bitches. Good, let them cry!
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I disagree 100%. You think those rural folks who have names on their shirts and when they go to work and cling to their guns and are use to voting for D's in the general election, who are on the verge of not supporting Obama couldn't be swayed with this line of attack? And say what you will about Karl Rove, he wins elections. Having said that, this isn't coming from Rove, Rove is going after Obama's record.
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It evens out the playing field from the corrupt public sector unions. ANd no, it would't be a winner for Obama, if done right and targeted in the right geographical areas.
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Being a liberal AND a numbers guy? That would be an oxymoron. No, really .
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Romney is playing this beautifully, he is distancing himself from this. However, just like the WAPO assisting Obama with character assasination hit pieces or MSNBC doing bigoted anti mormon segments, I'm sure Romney has no qualms with the SuperPacs shedding more light on this. These sort of ads will work well in certain parts of SOuther Virginia, NC, Ohio, PA and cental and panhandle Florida.
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To be honest with you, I hope that the one of the super pacs do explore this a bit further. If Obama is going to recieve help from media outlets such as WAPO, with character assasination hit pieces, that have inconsistencies in the story, then it is fair game to explore Obamas past a bit further . Unlike the McCain campaign, who was too soft and tepid in responding to Obamas attack machine from California, The Romney campaign ever since they have entered into general election phase has been impressive. They have hit back hard on Obamas record, they've been instituting a bracketing strategy, where they follow Obama around on the campaign trail with their surrogates to immediately respond to their claims on the campaign trail. How do you think those photos of all the empty seats in Obamas first campaign speech in Ohio emerged? It was Romneys guys who took those photos and then sent them out. Look how fast they responded to the Hillary ROsen deal, you can see that the fever pitched Faux war on women campaign has tamped down ever since that occured. Don't get me wrong, Obama has basically become a woman over the past couple weeks, with his blatant pandering of that constituency, but hey, that's how they wanna roll. But back to the Jeremiah Wright deal. Obama attended his sermons for over 20 years, all the way up to 2008. I think it's fair to take another look into his past, it's not as if they are digging up his high school record, we are talking about looking into his past all the way up to his presidency. You have to believe that their is influence of some sort there right? I think is fair game, and the Obama machine and media desperately doesn't want anyone exposing more than what has already been released. It's fair game, and in the age of the SuperPacs, they shouldn't be intimidated of being placed on the Presidents enemy list. Axlerod admitted months ago that their strategy was to "kill" Romney's character. You fight Fire with fire, and if they don't like it, well thats too bad. They cast the first stone, and I would fully support seeing the SuperPacs take it to them. I saw that, and as god as my witness, I made the same connection before I heard Krauthammer or anyone else make this point. Hell I even commented on Politico about it this morning making this exact same case.
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Dude, you've lost me. Love is good.
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Lets see here, my edit was at 5:01 and your post was at 5:05 are you sure you wanna go with that? Where did your post go?