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It's a joke Gene. Lighten up

Hoo boy

It's a joke but the joke has logical merit to it.

You make a good point.

I was just thinking, if Cuomo is calling this virus the "European virus" and considering that 65% of the Virus in the US researchers estimate came from New York. By his logic, we may as well begin calling it the New York Virus. Amirite?

I get that, but that isn't the point.

Get a load of this European Virus?

Only in Florida

Thank you for this post! I didn't even research what you are saying in regards to the average stay in nursing homes being 5 1/2 months. Not to sound cold and callous but frankly speaking, I would say that the average profile of the COVID death of 80 years old with 2 or more comorbidities probably has an even shorter time span than the 5 1/2 months that you cited. And with today's media and political environment there is no "greater good" discussions that can be had. It's impossible. Even if politicians and the media decided to all of a sudden begin discussing/covering this virus in a serious manner, the mental damage has been done. There are too many people who are suffering through a sort of trauma that has been promulgated via the media and the emotive equation now trumps the logical state for too many people. Anecdotally speaking, I can't even begin to have these sort of conversations with people that I know on Social media. They simply block out any news that can be construed as positive. They don't want to talk about it. I will probably create a thread about this because I do believe that there is sort of a stockholm syndrome effect that is occurring through many people's minds. Where they live in this cocoon of fear and they don't want to leave it no matter what the circumstances dictate. Sort of like survivors that suffer the stockholm syndrome, after a while they begin to care for their captor and when given the opportunity to escape they don't. Not saying the two are the exact same, and I have given this a lot of thought but I do think there is a sort of a connection in mentality between the two. Except this time the captor is the media which drives fear. And even though when presented factual data to alleviate this fear, the survivors which in this case are the ones who are living in this condition due to the virus decide to remain in their cocoon of fear.

After reading Steele’s testimony, especially the account where some of the information he received was from Perkins for the dossier, this whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Elon going to war with the left

That’s an interesting point, I do know that people who are older and sicker are more at risk to the regular flu and often times develop pneumonia and die. The more I read about the virus the more I think that the biggest difference between the two is that this virus is more contagious and there is no vaccine to limit its spread. I’m not saying they are the same just that from what I’m seeing the things I mentioned are the two biggest differences.

I’d like to expand a little further on this. This opinion would not be a popular viewpoint but I think it’s legitimate and when we are talking about policy implications looking at the raw data by eliminating the emotive elements have to be considered. So what are some of the facts? Average coronavirus age of someone who dies is 80. Average age of someone in the US who dies excluding coronavirus is 78. 88% of people who die of coronavirus have 2 or more comorbidities. If someone is 80 years old and has 2 or more comorbidities, Which is the typical profile of the average person who dies of COVID then would it not be a reasonable statement to say that since they were already at a more vulnerable age in bad health that the virus was essentially the last straw? I don’t want to minimize anyone’s situation and if there is someone reading this that fits into this category or close to it please don’t think that I’m suggesting that people who do are valued any less. I empathize with people especially the thought that many of these people who pass away are separated from their families and are alone in their death beds. The thought of that horrifies me. But from a public policy point of view this has to be considered when you have governments creating these other residual effects of the shut downs that are causing younger people to not get the care they need for heart and cancer related afflictions that is also leading to deaths.

The complete sham that is today’s media Now, after the fact after the damage has been done they admit they were wrong. Lots of things Trump said when he said them I would cringe. Like calling the media “the enemy of the people”. You know, he’s not all that far off.

Im going to have to find that. If indeed they are correct then that would be an absolute game changer and should alter public policy. I wonder if they mean that the rate of impact is more noticeable at 17% as opposed to actually reaching herd immunity at 17%. Seems awfully low to me. I never viewed it as this magical number that once we reached it Voilaaaaa We are now at herd immunity. I view it as a spectrum and as more people in the community have contracted the virus the more community immunity that you would achieve. I could see how at 17% there is a level of protection from the virus in the community but I’m struggling to believe it would offer lots of protection. But it could be enough to bend the curve and make the virus more manageable which I believe is what that study was saying.

@Buffalo Bills Fan I definitely am interested in learning more about that but right now they are purely speculating. And even if that is the case that still doesn’t take away from the study. We do know that this virus is much more benign for kids than the typical flu, the numbers are conclusive on that matter. What this study is also claiming is that kids are less likely not to just withstand the virus but to contract it than adults. And what the study is also showing is that it’s somewhat rare for kids under 10 to pass on the virus to adults.

Here is another interesting observation. If you read the link in the tweet it definitely gets in the weeds. Basically they are implying that herd immunity can begin to take effect at much lower than 60%. Keep in mind that estimate came from the Imperial guys which seems to be the basis for a lot of these wrong models and assumptions.

More good news

Good news: Yet another study confirming this. I seem to remember communicating to someone who is a bit of an authority on the matter about this. This now marks the 3rd study that claims this to be the case. —————————- Children under 10 are less likely to get infected than adults and if they get infected, they are less likely to get seriously ill. What is interesting is that even if children do get infected, they are less likely to transmit the disease to others than adults. We have not found a single instance of a child infecting parents. —————————— https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/hunting-down-covid-19/ His colleagues published a paper in the New England Journal of medicine with their findings on the Virus. You can read through the link and get all the sourcing to read in detail their claims. Where there is smoke there is fire. This is the third one to show overwhelming evidence that kids under 10 rarely pass on the virus to adults. The schools should open. Not sure what Cuomo is talking about but he said it.

So this was said Here is the video https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4874851/user-clip-disinfecting-trains @snafu @plenzmd1 I think we were talking about this

Glenn Greenwald is as ideologically to the left as anyone, but he’s not a hack. He’s not an opportunist like most media leftists. This is quite the twitter string.

I want to expand on this a little bit. I keep hearing through different outlets that our death count is being underreported. There has been very simple research where they compare this years death count to previous years and they extrapolate a cursory conclusion that COVID deaths are not being reported correctly due to the variance in deaths. To call that a hastily conducted conclusion would be an understatement. First, there is no way to conclude that the variance in death is due to COVID. Secondly, we know for a fact that there are significant amount of people who are not getting the cancer and heart related treatments that they need. We aren’t talking about some marginal number we are talking about estimates of in between 30-60% less reported cases. There are experts here in the US that believe that we may be seeing more deaths due to these issues than the virus itself. Research paper out of Australia concluded that they saw more deaths due to this than the virus itself. It very well may be that this is not the case that there are more residually related deaths of COVID than the virus itself but I would be willing to wager that it is not a statistically insignificant number. Birx early on held her tongue but indirectly made the case early on that the ventilator shortage drama that was playing out with the governors and media was being overstated, even though it was heresy to publicly outright say it at the time. So when she says that she believes that deaths may be overstated by 25%, then I think there is probably a pretty decent chance that she is right. I would love to see more granular data on the subsets of mortality but personally speaking, my intuition based off the immediate data that I have seen leads me to a similar conclusion.

Very interesting. Now it quotes anonymous sources and we know that the media is often times full of it when they quote these supposed sources with that said this was interesting from that article: ——— The Post reported that Birx and others feared that the CDC's statistics on mortality rate and case counts were inflated by up to 25%. Birx later told The Post in a statement that "mortality is slowly declining each day." ————- According to the article she was upset with the CDC. Birx our of the entire health team is the one I trust the most.

@Deranged Rhino can the senate conduct hearings To get to the bottom of this similar to the house?

And then there is this to piggy back off of the previous post Catherine better watch her back or she will get the Lara Logan treatment