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Man, you guys are really something else. I'm comparing the career in buffalo of one player to that of a current player. Is there really something odd about that in a buffalo bills forum? The season is over. Would you rather talk about cam newton? Maybe Jeff Fisher? When looking back at Bills QBs I always regarded bledsoe to be the last solid/legit starter we had and I was surprised to find that Fitz's stats compared to or exceeded Bledsoe's while he played in buffalo. If people don't like talking about a bills player then there are 1258524 threads about who we're gonna draft in a few months. I suggest you guys go there to post instead.

dude, you're a clown. if you think this thread has anything to do with you, you're pathetically mistaken. you're a winner buddy. a real winner.

i was working on this thread during lunch break (looking at the numbers between Bledsoe/Fitz) and was replying in the other thread (the WR thread). Is that not allowed? I like looking at stats and comparing them to other player and being surprised. I never expected Fitz's numbers to be comparable to Bledsoe's b/c in my memory, Bledsoe was "better" . The post about Fitz and Bledsoe is simple and non-confrontational. You're the one who has been having an aneurysm during this thread. Calm down. If you can't handle talking about Fitz, don't post in my thread. END OF STORY.

how about this. I'll stop talking about him when he's no longer on the team?

thanks man. the lynch mob in here is nuts. understandable i guess since we haven't made the playoffs in like 14 years. just trying to keep things in perspective b/c i know that plenty of people would agree that Bledsoe was our last good QB (though obviously some people disagree w/that notion as well).

i hear ya. But Trent Dilfer also won a super bowl, so there's a lot more to winning a football game than just the QB. the bills team as a WHOLE was much better in 2002-2004 than it ever has been since. it was at least somewhat balanced. Ok, so I just want to get it on record that Bledsoe "sucked". Ok. Fine.

your argument stating that Fitz is horrible and defending it by yelling "fitz is horrible" is laughable. i gave you numbers,and Fitz's numbers > than Bledsoe. FACT.

off the top of my head i know Bledsoe did have one 6-10 season of the 3. i know his last was 9-7. don't remember his first. 7-9? I do remember that the defense was much better than what we have now and the coaching staff > this coaching staff.

You're implying Stevie is great on his own and if he had a "real QB" instead of having 3 1,000 yd seasons, i suppose he'd have 3 2,000yd seasons? Obviously Stevie throws the ball to himself, catches it, and then runs with it. If we only had a real QB Stevie would be > Megatron I suppose.

This is exactly what i'm trying to address, your drastic view. Fitz had "4 good games" yet over 3 years he has thrown for more TDs, yds/attempt, a higher completion % than Bledsoe. So how many good games did Bledsoe have?

Fitz is my "imaginary" friend ala Te'o. In all seriousness, i'm just discussing their tenure in Buffalo and not their entire career. Fitz's tenure in buffalo, statistically speaking, has been better than Bledsoe's.

Ok, SJ is better than Josh Reed, but Josh Reed would probably be the #2 WR on this roster. What did Stevie do before Fitz became starter? Who made who look good?

i'm talking about their tenure in Buffalo and not their careers outside of buffalo. obviously you simply can't have a discussion with respect to Fitz aside from saying "fitz sucks" - we get the point. he threw for 23td's and +3600 yds?

Drew Bledsoe had a really good season with Dallas after he left B-lo. All I'm saying is that many here would say that our last great/good QB was Bledsoe (regardless of what his prime was), and all i'm saying is that statistically, it can be argued that Fitz has been better.

Bledsoe also had Eric Moulds, Josh Reed, and Peerless Price, all probably better than any single WR we currently have. Travis Henry wasn't too shabby either...

i'm just trying to argue against the extreme point of view that so many posters on this board have that "fitz is the worst QB in the NFL"; "he's an NFL backup"; "he's absolute garbage"; "what would our WR be with a real QB". Drew Bledsoe was a real QB, and Fitz's numbers are definitely better across the board in every single category except for INT's.

Fitz, 6.76 yds/attempt Bledsoe: 6.58 yds/attempt

lol, man come on. Ya I like Fitz, but I do realize we need to draft a QB and we could use an upgrade. However, if you look at the stats between Bledsoe and Fitz, you can have an argument that statistically speaking, Fitz has been a BETTER QB.

Bledsoe: 2002: 16 games, 61.5%, 4,359yds, 24td, 15int, 86.0 rating 2003: 16 games, 58.2%, 2,860yds, 11td, 12int, 73.0 rating 2004: 16 games, 56.9%, 2,932yds, 20td, 16int, 76.6 rating Fitz (as the primary starter): 2010: 13 games, 57.8%, 3000yds, 23td, 15int, 81.8 rating 2011: 16 games, 62.0%, 3,832yds, 24td, 23int, 79.1 rating 2012: 16 games, 60.6%, 3,400yds, 24td, 16int, 83.3 rating Overall, Fitz has a higher Completion %, 16 more TD's, and a higher QB rating (i couldn't find QBR for bledsoe as I don't think they had that stat back then) in fewer games. Fitz does have 11 more INT's in 3 fewer games. I know time distorts things, but has Fitz been a better QB for us than Bledsoe was? Discuss...

can't disagree. i see at least 2 going in the top 10.

Who cares where these guys were drafted? I do. It means that we've been ignoring the position for the past 5-8 years. You can only find so many Stevie Johnson's and Marques Colston's before you have to address the position. Stevie is unable to outrun a DB when he has a 5yd lead on him. Martin, Jones, Smith are GARBAGE at WR. Not even average - GARBAGE. I'm not ignoring Fitz's limitations, but you deny the fact that Fitz has been able to get Stevie - a nobody before Fitz became starter - 3 consecutive 1,000yd seasons. It's just in response to your "real QB" comment.

Stevie Johnson pre-Fitzpatrick: 2 season, 16 games, 12 receptions, 112yds, 2TDs Scott Chandler pre-Fitzpatrick: 3 seasons, 10 games, 0 receptions, 0 yds, 0TDs With all due respect to your opinion and other people's constant jabs on Fitzpatrick, we have nothing but 7th round draft picks, and practice squad fodder as WR and TE's on this team. (we'll see what Graham turns into) Bills WR: Nelson - undrafted SJ - 7th round Graham - 3rd round Brad Smith - no comment R. Martin - undrafted Donald Jones - undrafted In other words, we have GARBAGE at WR. Fitz keeps getting all the blame though. While Nelson and Stevie have been able to produce on the field we don't have elite talent at that position.

i was more impressed by the Miami QB than I was by Te'o. No thanks. Jarvis Jones gives you game-changing ability. Bjoern Werner gives you game-changing ability. Dion Jordan gives you game-changing ability. Te'o gives you a fake G/F.

i wonder if you or I were a part of Reverend Lewis' party that night if we would've had the ability to avoid murder charges. probably not. Garland said Lewis' only crime was to tell his companions after the brawl that led to the deaths, "Keep your mouth shut," and giving an incomplete statement to police. "He fully acknowledges his responsibility for those acts," Garland told Bonner after the plea was entered. Lewis' defense attorneys admit that the NFL star gave a misleading statement to police on the morning after the killings, but there has been other testimony that suggests Lewis participated in some kind of cover-up: Duane Fassett, the driver of Lewis' rented limousine, reluctantly admitted on the stand that after the brawl Lewis told everyone in the stretch Lincoln Navigator to "just keep your mouth shut and don't say nothing." Evelyn Sparks, who was riding in the limousine, said she saw another passenger dump a white hotel laundry bag into a garbage bin outside a fast food restaurant. Prosecutors say the bag contained Lewis' bloodstained white suit, which has never been found. Sparks also said a photograph of Lewis' entourage, taken at the Cobalt Lounge on the night of the killings, was destroyed by Jessica Robertson, a woman described as Lewis' girlfriend. "She said she burned it," Sparks testified. It's funny how someone who was so "innocent" would go to such lengths to lie to police but yet when his balls are under the hammer, he'll just testify against his friends. I know that if I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH A MURDER, i wouldn't go throw my suit away, and tell everyone to not say anything. I'd be the first one calling the police and telling them exactly how it went down as opposed to lying to the police.

We're not all suspect of murder, that's for sure.