
All_Pro_Bills
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The problem with your reasoning, and that used by others making the pre-emptive strike argument, is its all hypothetical Monday Morning Quarterback talk. Would have, should have, could have. In the moment people make decisions based on the situation at hand without the benefit of having knowledge of history or the outcomes generated by their decision or indecision years or decades later. Like the NFL coach that makes the wrong in-game decision on 4th and goal not to kick the FG in the 3rd quarter which results in a failed 4th down try and an ultimate 2 point loss, they don't have the benefit of having knowledge of the outcome under the decision they made to help them make a different choice. There's always an assumption that removing some evil would result in nothing but positive consequences and outcomes. Hypothetically, let's say the decision to take Hitler out was made. Germany and Europe are saved from the savagery of the Nazi's. And all is well, peace and prosperity. But wait. Without any warning or opposition, Stalin moves against all of Europe and defeats the combined Army's of Europe. As quickly as the German's had done. Alliances with leaders like Franco and Mussolini cement their rule. The US enters the fight too late to change the outcome and the entire European continent is under Communist control for the next 300 years. America never becomes the world's leading power. Of course its all conjecture on my part. But it is also that on yours the by always playing the military card the result will be all hearts and flowers. Frankly, the theory is an excuse for constant aggression and absolves the people making the argument from doing any real critical thinking..
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I'm pointing out something you seem to be missing which is the dilemma of choosing sides based on some moral standard. Where in a war which self-implies little to no moral standard exists. That's kind of why its called war. The Ukrainian "side" has committed the same atrocities you attribute to the Russian invaders. Committed them first I might add. As John Rambo pointed out in the first movie of the series, "they drew first blood". I could argue the Russian response was a reaction to this, but I won't. Who did what and when doesn't absolve anyone of blame. So how do you decide which to support given a lack of "moral" character on either side? The democracy? I can make a clear and intelligent argument that the distinction between Ukrainian democracy and Russian democracy in form and function is nil.
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Do you think Nazi paramilitary groups in Donbas murdering Ukrainian citizens of Russian heritage starting in 2014 following Madien had anything to do with precipitating the conditions for war? Or are you sticking with the story that sovereign nations can do whatever they want like joining NATO or using racism as a justification for killing their own citizens?
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The Dodgers cave to anti Catholic LGBT group
All_Pro_Bills replied to Big Blitz's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
This trans insanity is always an exercise in group psychology. Everyone knows their antics are absurd and many times offensive but people are afraid to say so because it might involve consequences to them such as impacting their social status or a threat to their livelihood. What is well understood by the proponents of this nonsense and their support system is that it only takes one person of sufficient prominence to suggest they're not going along with the program for the entire illusion to fall apart. Once one person speaks out, then the environment for others to speak out is established. That's why they work so hard to squash any objection. Fans hitting the Dodgers in the wallet by boycotting games and not buying team merchandise will hurt the bottom line but it won't get management to reverse course or change their minds. They're too afraid of the consequences. Not so much to the team but the them personally. They've determined Catholics aren't going to attack them 24/7 or picket in front of their homes or harass their families. If they reverse course they'll be shunned by the wealthy and high society crowd who are also afraid of speaking their minds. What's hard to believe is an insignificantly small population of a mentally ill and emotionally weak sub-culture of society has the power to hold the rest of it prisoner to a bizarre alternate reality. -
Global warming err Climate change HOAX
All_Pro_Bills replied to Very wide right's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Because if these protesters pulled such stunts in China they'd wind up in a labor camp for 10 years. If our government had any respect for the rule of law and public civility they'd be arrested and charged here too. But all these radical group live in a consequence free environment. At least for now. -
The Dodgers cave to anti Catholic LGBT group
All_Pro_Bills replied to Big Blitz's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Your ability to respond with the most absurd and unrelated line of questioning is exceeded by very few posters. -
The Dodgers cave to anti Catholic LGBT group
All_Pro_Bills replied to Big Blitz's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
I think what many find objectionable are public displays rather than a private sin kind of thing. Exhibitionist behavior like public masturbators on the NY subway. Who needs to be treated to such a thing while riding the train to work or home in the evening? -
Russia Was Not a Democratic Hoax
All_Pro_Bills replied to WEATHER DOT COM's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
All you need to know is this. The MSM and the networks said boo about the Durham report. Rather they dug a 20 foot deep hole and buried the story. Back page story a few sentences long next to the lost Cat notice. The fact they've pretended the report doesn't exist proves beyond a doubt that there was no collusions between Trump and the Russians. Because if there was something to it, they'd have been shouting out from the rooftops 24/7. But all we get is crickets, radio silence, media blackout, deflection, heads in the sand. Take your pick. There's your media bubble! Because the only thing more corrupt than Hillary is the justice system under Biden. -
Russia Was Not a Democratic Hoax
All_Pro_Bills replied to WEATHER DOT COM's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
You're one of maybe a dozen people in the country that still believe this. Most of them are CNN and MSNBC show hosts. While I admire your conviction, your refusal to accept the current facts as laid out in the Durham report is troubling. -
Yup, the US meddles in the internal affairs of more countries than any other nation. Has more military bases in other countries around the world than the rest of the world has combined. Stages coups and insurrections to remove non-compliant leaders, uses sanctions and asset confiscation and freezes to punish any uncooperative jurisdictions, and recently, sabotages gas pipelines feeding the economy of "allies" that just bend over and take it. Does things like occupy 1/3 of Syria under the pretext of fighting ISIS even though everyone knows that its Turkey, our NATO ally, provides support and protection for the terrorist group. I might add a very undemocratic pattern of behavior. But obviously, this story was written by a Russian sympathizer! 😅 And so by the way is anyone that raises any objections to the methods and means used by the regime.
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Thanks for the feedback. There's a lot of different ways to approach the question and my theory is certainly not foolproof. If this was a lawsuit it would be interesting to see how a plaintiff would establish standing for such a lawsuit, identify the defendant and attach cause, and how the court would determine pain and suffering and then calculate a dollar amount to attach to any award. I assume these reparation committees follow a similar methodology although I've not seen any specifics on their activities other than some final figures. Another part of the issue is you're planning on compensating individuals that were not directly harmed by the practice with funds from people that had no voice or role in the practice. Both the slaves and slave owners are dead and neither will receive reparations or pay for the harm they caused. I've seen arguments that blacks have been harmed by the practice of slavery even after it was abolished through discrimination and while that can be true that isn't the same thing as the practice of slavery itself. Eligibility is problematic. Can a person just claim a full share by being African American? What about mixed race children? Do they get a prorated proportional share? What's the formula in the proposals such as the $5 million amount? What's the methodology? How about everyone that applies is subject to a genetic test and the amount of African DNA the test identifies (a percentage) determines how much of a share you get? The other question is about the political aspect. Is this all just a hustle to get votes and are politicians being less than honest when it comes to intentions of making actual payments? Will they really risk "pissing off" the other 87% or so of the population just to make their point?
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The war was set in motion in 2014 when the Obama State Department and CIA engineered a coup to oust the pro-Russia government and replaced it with one aligned to Western interests. Soon after is when fighting started in Donbas between ethnic Russian Ukrainians and Nazi paramilitary groups. The Russians sent assistance and merc's to help and things escalated from there.
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While we all can agree that slavery is immoral and wrong for the sake of argument it was also legal at the time. The 13th amendment officially obolished slavery. By the letter of the law and technically by the law nobody violated any law. Slavery was legal, then it was not. How about people that were busted and locked up for smoking and selling pot? Now the laws have changed and what they did is now more or less legal. Should they get reparations? How about women denied the right to vote prior to the constutional amendment? Should they get reparations for being wronged? How about people busted for drinking and selling liquor during prohibition? Once that amendment was revoked and what they did was once again legal shouldn't they get reparations for time being incarcerated?
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Running yet another State Department regime change operation and expecting Putin to be replaced with a more "favorable" leader is wishful thinking and setting yourself up for failure. Recall just such an operation in Ukraine started events in motion that brought the situation to this point. And as unpredictable as things get what if Putin's replacement is more dangerous? I'm starting to feel this is Afghanistan 2.0. We'll dump 100's of billions upon 100's of billions along with lots of resources into another quagmire while insisting from start to finish our side is winning in order to maintain public support and funding and in the end be left with the government making excuses to explain what went wrong.
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Combating imaginary racism with actual racism??
All_Pro_Bills replied to Unforgiven's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Watching the NYC news broadcast on a nightly basis its amazing how many white supremacists are committing violent crimes, slashing and harassing riders on the subway, sexually attacking women, commiting hate crimes, and shooting lots of other citizens. All shouting "this is MAGA country" as the attack their victims! -
Since the core principle of their belief system is denial of reality, deception is necessary. What person with the capacity to reason and think logically would conclude the border is secure, or eliminating police would result in less crime, or a man can be a woman simply by wishing it to be? Sure they can counter my conclusions by saying there are things wrong with the Right and that is true. But that argument does not negate the truth about the Left.
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Sadly, confrontations and disagreements happen all the time. It's a fact of life. The problem is that under the current political environment each and every one of these confrontations publicized in social and mainstream media automatically default to an underlying cause for the confrontation of race or racism. Right from the start establishing the standard roles of victim and oppressor. Then, the usual parties in the activist community run with the story. It's what they do. It's how they "earn" a paycheck. On investigation, very few of these confrontations are attributed to racial causes. But that's the story the Hate industry needs to sell to keep employed and growing. Spreading hate to keep people divided. Where I definitely agree is that unless the race baiters are held accountable and face financial, reputational, or personal consequences for smearing and harassing people innocent of racial bias these incidents will continue.
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I suggest as an example, Andrew Jackson might be worthy of mention for that honor. Name a specific action of Trump that is worse than the "trail of tears" forced relocation of Native Americans. I could name other chief executives and their transgressions but as a professed student of history you should know better.
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Stranger yet. I've witnessed "mourners" taking pictures of the deceased in their coffins while laid out at the funeral home. Something I believe is completely inappropriate for the circumstances.
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The US is the center of the world order as its ruling Empire. The European nations are vassal states of the US and have no independent policies of the own without permission from Wahington. The goal is to weaken Russia which is a threat to the current order. So is China. And any other country that refuses to play by the rules. The problem is its a long list and growing longer.