West End Stench

I would be interested in knowing in what type of desperate situation a team would have to be in to let a team score? Not only because I can't think of one, but because I've been watching football for a long time now and have never even seen anything like that.

Nothing here to really discuss, you just don't "let teams score". Period. Forcing a fumble or a jail-break on the field goal is just as likely as the Bills going down and scoring a touchdown in 1:50 seconds (especially when they barely managed a field goal in the first 58:10).

Agreed! NFL franchising has always been a great market to get into (How much did R.W. spend to get the Bills going?), and has gotten even stronger within the past 20-25 years. The revenue sharing system within the league significantly decreases the risk of going belly-up. The TV contracts that the league has signed has been huge for franchise owners as well. It'll be interesting to see how much these values grow in the next 10 years.

Wondering the same thing.

No, I don't think Ralph believes a new head coach in the middle of the season will bring a considerable return. Neither do I, and for a number of reasons. Why drag in a new and probably unproven head coach at 1-3? Give a new coach an offseason to establish his own personnel, players and system before throwing him into the messy, talentless team that we have right now. In addition, I'm not saying that the amount of a sunk cost shouldn't be reflected on. All I'm saying is that when looking ahead to a new project, that hesitation and mulling over what has already been spent on a *failed* project shouldn't be a factor since the money paid to Dick is non-recoverable. The return on the Dick Jauron investment is arguably zero in this situation. Since Ralph should be ignoring sunk costs, what he should be considering is the amount of capital available to spend on new coach, the expected return on investment in the current coaching market (# wins that a Shanahan, Gruden, Ditka, or whoever you guys dream of can provide), and the timetable for return.

Thanks for the Econ lesson, Mr. Bernanke, but I think (hope) the majority reading recognized this as a project with replacement decisions. And while ROI replacements shouldn't be overlooked, the considerations of sunk costs should not impair the ability to make a decision (which is what some readers in this thread suggest is happening) . Avoiding a sunk cost fallacy is inherent in making a project decision, so I'm not sure exactly what your point is. Yours truly, Mrs. Ralph Wilson P.s. - Sorry if I sounded condescending but some of the off the cuff remarks on this message board are just intolerable to the point where finding a logically sound discussion is a rarity. Frustration sets in for all at 1-3 (0-2)

People on this board are so clueless sometimes. There is one rule of economics, finance and business that you guys think that Ralph Wilson, a self-made multi-millionaire, is forgetting. Contractual agreements with Dick Jauron all but make the $9 Million owed in salary completely sunk. Sunk costs are never ever considered in future business decisions, whether it is millions of dollars paid for the coach, or the $200 K sunk into stadium maintenance this past summer. Saying that "Ralph won't fire Jauron because he doesn't want to eat the $8 million" is so ignorant that it makes my head spin. Even if Wilson is in fact senile to the fact that he forgot this fundamental rule of thumb (which I doubt), he is still surrounded by a handful of financial advisors who are paid a healthy salary to remind him of elementary finance decisions. I'll agree with some that Jauron might be kept longer than we may like, but I'll put money ($9 million?) down that it's not because he's afraid to eat the sunk cost. The decision to keep him until the seasons end could be for a larger demand-rebound in the off-season if we wait to fire him in the off season, when our record is 0-0, instead of bringing in an unkown after the bye week when we're 2-6.

Apologies. If that's the case, then this Brian Leonard is a purebread athlete who leaves it all on the field. I mean this kid comes to play a full 60 minutes. A downhill runner that's not afraid to hit you in the mouth. He once had sex with a cigarette machine.

You can't be serious about this? Going into last week Jackson was the 5th best rusher in the NFL. This week we retain that player, and add a pro-bowl-potential back. Meanwhile we struggle to field and O-Line, have 1.5 solid pass rushers, and Tight Ends are dropping like flies, and you want to spend cap money on another running back? Try again.

Worst thread of the season. Not because it's a pointless thread about the Bengals, but because you used the term "high motor". Awful, meaningless phrase.

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet. Forgive me if it has: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...ens-cover_N.htm

Although I'd never listen to it, WGR broadcasting football is ok in my book. Who listens to sports talk radio on Friday evenings anyways? I don't understand how Schopp keeps his job. He's condescending to 4/5ths of the callers and responds to most calling in with good points or questions with "...whats your point?..." and "...sure, I guess, anyways...". It's come to the point where it's painful when they take phone calls because nearly every response is with a crappy attitude. I've never heard talk-radio hosts get so disturbed and frustrated when callers begin with "How are ya guys" or "Hows it going". These guys are intolerable after a Bills game no matter what and I usually turn the dial to 96.9 to catch the press conferences and interviews...much easier to listen to after a win or loss. And whoever said Schopp is Bulldog's b*tch is wrong because I think it's the other way around. Bulldog is tolerable on the off days that he's not with Schopp, otherwise he's nothing but a puppet who agrees with the puppet-master. Kudos to the rest of the WGR550 cast, but Schopp & The Bulldog are miserable. Go Bills.

Thanks for your input, Mrs. Jauron.

Nope. That's literally like rule #2 posted by the gates.

23 is justified. Keep things in perspective. Buffalo lost to a good (mediocre?) team on the road and beat a terrible team at home. The Bills haven't beaten a good team since Denver last year...and they were barely good. Once we beat teams like New Orleans or NYJ we'll get respect.

Good point, but I was most interested in Jauron-"inspired" teams (2006-present). While I'm by no means a Jauron apologist, I do think he sometimes gets a bad rap due to the L.O.F.T. factor he's had while in Buffalo.

First let me preface this post by saying that I had serious intentions of avoiding this forum until probably Sunday night, not for so much the fact that I didn't want to read about the coverage from last nights game, but in fear that I would have to read some of the bi-polar comments from the average Bills fans on here. Some of the posters on this board are damn embarrassing blaming this loss on the coaching staff when they were the ones who set up a terrific game plan to put us in a position to win. And while some of the blame does lie on McKelvin, it's understandable why he took the ball out instead of kneeling it, considering the ball was caught right on top of the goal line. That being said, the Bills have a good shot at bouncing back Sunday against TB. Looking at memorable prime-time let downs and 1 o'clock heartbreaks over Dick Jauron’s tenure, they all have one thing in common(besides serious mental-lapses): the team is typically ready to win the following week: • 2006 Week 1 – Loss @ NE 19-17 (Losman Safety) o Win the following week home vs Miami 16-6 • 2006 Week 10 – Loss @ Indy 17-16 (Late Manning Heroics) o Win the following week @ Houston 24-21 • 2007 Week 5 - Loss home vs Dallas Mon Night 25-24 o Bye, then win 4 straight starting w/ Baltimore • 2008 Week 11 – Loss home vs Cleveland Mon Night 27-29 (Last min FG) o Win @ KC 54-31

You're right. They are closed unless mentioned otherwise.

So I'm at work making fun of my co-worker at work because he's a Dolphin fan and the new T-Pain Remix of the Dolphins fight song is a downright embarrassment. We started looking up info about The Buffalo Bills Shout Song and couldn't find answers to a few things. I'm hoping some of the more long-time fans from the 60's-80's can provide some answers. 1) Who sings the Bills Fight song. I'm aware that it's an Isley Brother's rip off, but who is the original recording artist of The Bills Shout Song? 2) What year did Buffalo begin to adapt this song? 3) Was there any other official fight songs before the Bills Shout Song? Any help would be great. Thanks!

The Avenger answered this question as well as just about anybody could. The schedule was weak and we weren't able to hang with the upper half of the league. Also, this talk that Trent Edwards "Returned too early from his concussion" is absolutely unbelievable. After the concussion, he had a week off and then returned to action against San Diego at home, where he turned out one of his best performances of the season (QB rating 114, his 3rd highest of the year) in the Bills' best win of the season. If TE still was "concussed" at this point, how do you explain this? I suppose by this logic we can assume that since Trent didn't perform well again until we crushed KC, that his concussion must have gotten cleared up on his trip to Arrowhead? Or could it be that because went Trent went up against the best competition he would face all year (NYJ, MIA, NE, save Arizona), he simply didn't have the skills to keep up with the big boys? If TE sucks in the opener against NE, will we still make the claim that his head is in the clouds?

If Wilson is going to make those statements about the team's talent then maybe he should sack up and spend some of that excess cap money they've had laying around for a couple of years now. I think we have the young core group of guys to build around (Trent, Lynch, Lee, McGee, Greer) but for Christs sake bring in a couple veteran O-linemen and pass rushers that will help get us to the playoffs.

Prove it

Call me crazy, but with the way we run the ball a turnover on downs and a 3rd and 10 do not sound that great to me...

Reason to be optimistic: -We just got through the toughest part of our schedule for the entire season. I don't think anybody expected us to beat New England this weekend with the way we've been playing lately and it's nice just to get out of that game without any more serious injuries (that i know of). - We've played quality opponents the last three games and The Bills have played some some of their worst football all season...yet they still kept the game in reach until the last 5 minutes or so. I just don't see Cleveland, KC or San Fran giving us fits like the past 3 teams have. IF (BIG IF) we take those three games then I have a feeling we'll see a newly energized team in Toronto. (9-4 1-3 wouldn't sound too horrible.) - We have two more losses to give before we can kiss a Wildcard playoff spot goodbye...

Why do fans have to get a boner over what media and "analysts" think of the Bills? Why does it matter to you if John Clayton does or doesn't do a piece on Buffalo every week? If they go 6-3 and don't get credit for it, who cares? I've been saying it all season, I love our team flying under the radar. Young teams with few standout players that play such an easy schedule are going to get little credit unless they go undefeated...deal with it and enjoy the fact that the Bills could be 6-3 after this weekend for the first time this century.