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Tyrod Taylor held to higher standard bc he's black ?
Thurman#1 replied to Game Manager's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Hunh. I've always been extremely impressed by Tyrod as a person. Not as a quarterback but absolutely as a person. Seeing he thinks this makes me think a bit less of him. I'm disappointed to see he feels this way. It's not a big deal. But it's not a good look either. -
Tyrod starts because he plays the same game every week
Thurman#1 replied to TheFunPolice's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
That would be "if", not "when". And guys often make huge leaps between first and second years. Peterman could be one of those guys. Or not. Way too early, though, to assume he won't. Not to mention that teams sometimes draft new QBs. It's certainly not impossible they keep him, especially to give someone more time to develop. If it happens, people will most likely say what they're saying now, and with good reason. 27th best in combined running and passing yards. Yup. Talks a lot about Tyrod barely fitting into the normal range, which for him goes from 6th best to 29th best. Those are the "average" guys for him. To repeat, 29th is within average range for this guy. He's got a point that a lack of turnovers should be to his credit, very much so, but that a lack of explosiveness in situations where we need aggressive play should be counted against him, the two sides of Tyrod's coin. I just find it hard to take this writer very seriously when he keeps referring to 29th best in the league as average and only 30th as below it. -
Wow. And at the same level of importance of breaking news, I hear there are earthworms in the ground and that airplanes fly.
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I get why people worry about the playoffs, due to the drought. I don't care about the playoffs. I care only about when they become genuinely competitive for a championship. I can imagine them sneaking in for a one-and-done as fodder for the good teams. I doubt even that will happen, but I'd give them a 20 - 25% chance, maybe. Means nothing to me, though. The offense just isn't good enough. Too much pressure on the defense. I'm really surprised and pleased with the D so far, though. They just don't have the personnel across the board. I'm willing to wait if they improve the roster as time passes and become a team good enough to threaten for a Lombardi down the road.
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https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2017/09/26/the-nfl-lens-separation/ Waldman's tape breakdowns are generally terrific. He knows what he's looking at, shows good tape to explain and communicates well.
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Alex Smith has averaged 10 wins a year the last six years. Andy Dalton has had 10 or 11 wins four out of the last five years. Roethlisberger's Steelers have averaged over 10 wins per year for the last ten years. Luck had the one horrendous year but other than that he's averaged 10 wins. I mean, you're right that it's teams that win games, not QBs, and that few teams are all that consistent. But if you put "franchise QB" into his original statement instead of "10-11 win QB," it looks like, "A franchise QB makes that throw immediately," which is a pretty reasonable comment.
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If Tyrod wanted Thomas to push upfield he was asking Thomas to do something he couldn't do. Thomas's goes straight out a few yards, looking over his shoulder to his left back at Tyrod. He turns around not by twisting back around so he gets a look upfield. As part of disguising the route he turns his body back towards Tyrod and then cuts to the outside. He never has a chance to look at the safeties and see what's going on upfield of him. For all he knows a safety or deeper LB is honing in on him from downfield. The furthest Thomas ever looks downfield is getting one look directly in front of him as he cuts to the sidelines. Where the guy posting that video clip says, "This is where I want him to throw the ball," that's where he could have altered the route, simply by throwing the ball downfield a bit. Thomas would have adjusted to go catch the ball. In any case, just throw the damn thing right then when he's open. By the time Tyrod waves, the LB has caught up again and Thomas is close enough to the sidelines that the ball couldn't be fit in there anyway.
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You're right that nobody should ever say that Tyrod doesn't throw over the middle. He does it a lot. Short. A ton of his throws have always been over the short middle. Any argument implying that he doesn't throw to the short middle a lot is simply wrong. At least in his first year, though, he threw about five-sixths of his deep and intermediate passes to the outside thirds, making him more predictable. I went through every single pass of his first year. It's the deep and intermediate middle third that he didn't get to often back then overall, though more often some games than others. As your chart shows, in the Cincy game if you define intermediate as 11- 20 yards (as ESPN does, so that Transplant does too), he threw one pass there out of the four he threw to the intermediate and deep zones. Both the TD pass and the INT were in the outside third (your chart very conveniently allows that to be quantified). One out of 37 is very low for anyone. But since he only threw four passes of eleven yards or over, his percentage of those four to the middle third was reasonable. In the Jets game you show here on the other hand, he threw there three times out of seven intermediate and deep balls, a high percentage for any QB. Great chart by the way. Very cool.
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I think this is reasonable. Shouldn't take us more than four or five years to bring in four competent to excellent OLs who fit the bill. I live in Japan and am actually a sumo fan. Who did the not-real-convincing trick photography on that? The real sumo guys look big enough. Maybe they could bring in Mainoumi.
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Sammy Watkins complaining about targets again
Thurman#1 replied to Rigotz's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
A receiver complaining about targets? Wow, next thing you'll tell me some actors are temperamental. -
?look who's #1 Scoring Defense... AGAIN
Thurman#1 replied to CanadianFan's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Yup. Scoring is much more of a team stat than people like to admit. Yards isolate the offense and defense much better. -
Next man up is not good enough
Thurman#1 replied to Dragonborn10's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
They have the ammunition to win maybe 9 games now. Maybe. Wouldn't mind them trading Shady, but what they're actually doing isn't tanking. No such thing in the NFL. There are such things as complete rebuilds and we aren't doing one. From my point of view that's unfortunate, but it's the way things are. -
What has Brandon Beane done to improve this team?
Thurman#1 replied to Yeezus's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Which is potentially huge. He's also put us on a better financial footing. We were still in some cap trouble looking down the road. With Sammy and Darby gone, less so. Good post. -
It adds up fine building for the future. Banyard is a spare part, unlikely to be here when the future arrives. But yes, there'll be a lot of mixing and matching, which is what happens as teams (hopefully) settle into one system and start bringing in young guys who fit it and phase out the older guys. Our oldest guys include lots who won't be around for very long, guys like Tolbert, Humber, Shareece Wright, Cedric Thornton, Ryan Davis, Those are five out of our ten oldest. Our talented oldsters look likely to age out of the lineup in the near future, particularly Kyle Williams and Lorenzo Alexander and McCoy, though if they can somehow keep playing young they might be kept. They guys on this team 27 and over are, in descending order, Lorenzo Alexander, Kyle Williams, Mike Tolbert, Ramon Humber, Shareece Wright, Hughes, Cedric Thornton, Shady, Ryan Davis, Charles Clay, Micah Hyde, Leonard Johnson, Dareus, Deon Lacey, Jordan Mills, and Jerel Worthy. That's not exactly the core of the team. You'd hope Hughes, Alexander, Hyde ... how many more would be around for much time? Dareus if he straightens up and plays up to standard but I've stopped thinking that's likely. Clay if he stays healthy and they can make his contract more reasonable?
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After the injury to Matthews and Boldin's ducking out, yeah, they look pretty bad. No worse than several other bad years, though. Look at 2009 when the aging T.O. led the receivers with 829 yards and Evans had 612 on the other side, with Stevie Johnson contributing 10 yards, James Hardy 9 and Roscoe Parrish 34 and Josh Reed coming in third with 291. If Matthews and Boldin were still here we'd be quite a bit better than that.
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Age doesn't matter, not in the first year. What matters is what they are two or three years down the road. That's the point. They switched systems yet again, throwing out a bunch of young guys who wouldn't have fit and building up their draft capital, and bringing in cheaper journeyman FAs who fit the systems. Now as time goes on they have said they intend to build through the draft and there's no particular reason to doubt them. Trying to win now is a secondary goal. It's something they thought they could possibly do while building for the future, which is their main goal. There isn't any doubt about that. They've said it. And they've walked the talk. If they'd been trying to win this year as their primary goals they simply would not have traded Watkins. They simply wouldn't have done that. As for tanking, yet again, there is no such thing as tanking in the NFL. You don't do less than your best with non-guaranteed contracts. It doesn't exist. What does exist is rebuilding. And that's what they're doing. However, you're quite right that they absolutely are not doing a complete rebuild. If they were they'd have jettisoned Kyle Williams, Tyrod, Lorenzo Alexander, etc. They didn't, and so we know they're not doing a complete rebuild. It's equally obvious that they're not re-loading and trying to win right now. If they were, they'd have kept guys like Gillislee, Watkins, Woods and Darby. I personally wish they'd done a complete rebuild. Now they look - yet again - like an eight win team or thereabouts, meaning they're going to have to use their trade capital to trade up most likely and get their new QB. A waste in my opinion. But they're not willing to be awful this year. Guess that's what happens when you put your coach as your defacto GM right up through the draft. Coaches are wired to want to win. But if it was their first priority to win this year, they'd simply have kept Sammy. "Anything you build, you want to build it from the ground up with a solid foundation," said Beane. "Rome wasn't built in a day. We're not trying to do this tomorrow. We're going to try to do it the right way and when it's meant to be, we'll get there, and I think everybody will see success." http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Beanes-team-building-rooted-in-proven-philosophy/ce524933-c08b-4c48-9bac-98f83936a1b1 Wanna be angry because they aren't focused exclusively on the future? Fair enough. They're not. A complete rebuild is what I'd like to have seen, personally.
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This is absolutely NOT a team that was built to win now. Their primary emphasis is in building for the future. They hoped they could also win now but that was certainly NOT their main goal. Trading Sammy was a move for the future, and as it is likely to give us a chance to select a QB early, it looks like a damn good move.
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"... in trail technique." I absolutely love this. You know what they call "trail technique" when there's no safety over the top or anyone else around? They call it getting beat. You're right that he wasn't wide open, but he was open for the first down. The CB is both half a yard downfield of him and a couple of yards to Tyrod's right as Clay runs across the field to the left. It takes a good throw but not a great one. It's nonsense that that throw takes a Brady to make. If you can't make that throw with consistency you're not a franchise QB and probably not a QB that will ever have a team sticking with you for long as a starter.
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[closed]There is one solution to our problem...
Thurman#1 replied to ShakAttack's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Trust the process. Understand that this is the first year. Do NOT value the short term over the long term, as that is the strategy of losers. Keep your draft picks. And probably draft a QB. And a bunch of other people besides. And keep trading back and acquiring more picks once you've got the QB at least. -
If there's one single symptom that you always see with bad QBs, it's excuses on the boards for him. The offense has been bad. The passing game has been bad. And Tyrod has been slightly below average since about the eighth game of his first year starting. You're right that the offensive personnel does not look good. But among that group is Tyrod. People here keep going on about haters. Not you, John, but you see it a lot. And there aren't any except maybe a troll here and there. What there are are a metric squat ton of unbelievers and doubters. And for very good reason. He seemed wildly unlikely to become the second QB after Gannon to make such a huge upturn so late in his career. And he simply hasn't. He's still playing like Tyrod, and it's too bad for the Bills and for he himself.