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1 hour ago, HappyDays said:
I'm starting to think we should definitely release Poyer. The safety market is so deep. Poyer can find out for himself that no one is giving him $7.7 million this year. If he wants to come back for $3 million this year, fine. But if not we can easily find a cheap and capable option to replace him.
It's not a pleasant thought but I've been seriously considering the same. Poyer has very obviously lost a step. He and Hyde counted as $15 M total their first year, and with some of the AAV projections I've seen that number seems very doable if we cut Poyer for a third of it.
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3 hours ago, Westside said:
Unless our OL gets decimated with injuries, then you’ll wish we still had Bates.
Hey I would have kept him, but it's a whole lot easier to pick up decent backup guards than WR talent in FA
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5 minutes ago, Spiderweb said:
All to save a pitance? 1.4 mil? Garbage move....
If that 5th gets used to move up in the 1st or 2nd round to get a receiver this board is in love with, no one is going to care about Bates.
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17 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:
Business in general is cold man. I left my old company in June last year and then found out like a week ago they fired every remote employee (which I was) the week of Thanksgiving last year. My old boss called me to tell me I got out at the exact right time
Ahh yes, the "I'm sorry, I know that remote work is just-as-if-not-more productive, costs less overhead and leads to greater employee satisfaction, but without it we cannot micromanage you as inefficiently. Think of how much you miss spending an hour round trip (or more) in your car going back and forth each day"
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Extend. Dawkins a good to above average LT on a reasonable contract for his starting position. It's a no brainer.
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9 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Current Draft Capital, including forecasted Comp pick for Edmunds, and their Modern Trade Chart Value:
Round 1 - 28 (209)
Round 2 - 60 (88)
Round 3 - 99 (36)
Round 4 - 129 (18)
Round 5 - 143 (14)
Round 5 - 159 (10)
Round 5 - 162 (10)
Round 6 - 192 (6)
Round 6 - 198 (5)
Round 6 - 206 (4)
Round 7 - 246 (1)Lots of capital for movement around, especially on Day 3. No chance we use all of these picks.
Oh, Beane is doing something. That was a given with Beane. I suspect this year will have more rookies cracking the roster than in previous years, but I fully expect a trade up to happen somewhere.
As I am seeing the big boards rise and fall, I am wondering if the Bills wait out and take BPA at 28, then blitz spending to get a WR or DE at the top of round 2.
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8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
From the sounds of it from Ian Rappaport, Thomas and Worthy will be WR4 and WR5. My guess is neither reach 28. I think we'll be safe to sit close to 28 or move up 2-3 slots give or take to land Legette or Mitchell.
After Higgins, Pittman, and Evans were retained and WR's leapt off the screen during The Combine - I suspect we're probably looking closer to WR6 or WR7 in the area we're in than WR4 or WR5, as I expected before.
Thomas will probably cost too much, unless Worthy really does hop him, as Rappaport implied could be a reality after talking to execs. Maybe then Thomas as WR5 would be worth a bigger package than I expect Beane to offer.
But my gut and bets are with that it will be either Xavier Legette or Adonai Mitchell, with a smaller trade up if WR6 comes off the board prior to Pick 27.
Ehhh, I would make a small jump for Thomas or Worthy. The others? Tell me how distinctly Legette, Franklin, McCorkle and Mitchell are better or worse than each other? Because it looks like the drop off is right before or after one of those guys.
I'm not saying they are *bad* but the first tier looks like players who could outplay Diggs at some point. The others are plug and play #2 but leaves us without a Diggs succession plan.
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Wow. I honestly did not see that coming. He was a good 6th man on the line, and the one who I expected to backup or replace Morse. This tells me Morse is staying because it's hard to expect a rookie to come in and be ready day 1. Even the blue chip top 10 OTs often take some time. Torrence was the best starting rookie we've had in years and he absolutely took his lumps, and he was projected as high as back of round 1.
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9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Cortland Sutton come on down!!!!
Trade for him then draft Worthy.
I mean...yes, but not for the money that he's due. If the Broncos are in full fire sale mode and are willing to trade him for peanuts and Beane uses salary conversion and void years it's possible but at this point if they are in a fire sale mode they might just cut him.
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So, the next time everyone here is talking about how Von is a bad contract
I suspect he'll get a stop somewhere. There are places that are just as QB hungry as Denver, just that the amount of money he was getting was absurd in comparison to level of play. Washington, Pitt, Tenn, NE, Atlanta, Minnesota, LV, and even Seattle all need a QB and the back half of that list is way outside of the pick zone of the top candidates. Someone will take a sniff.
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And like that the Chiefs are at $3M in cap space before trying Chris Jones
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If he drops that far, Brian Thomas in a heartbeat. After that...I am making some calls to the teams at the top of the 2nd. Because it's looking like a glut with Franklin, McConkey, Worthy, and Adonai Mitchell. While I had had by doubts about McConkey, he was bigger, faster and stronger than Franklin even if I like Franklin's film better (from my very limited watching).
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5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Didn’t Beane previously state he told Hines he’d be on the roster?
I think the comment was "do right by him"
By guess is that they went to him looking for a pay cut because the $5.5 M was a lot for a player who was a gadget two years ago but if his agent dug in it's a no brainer
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I am no longer so insistant upon WR in the 1st round.
Granted if Thomas Jr slides fantastic you take him there, but at this moment I think there's not a terrible chance that there are 4-5 guys you rank closely as immediate #2 WR starters at the 28th pick and I can envision trading back.
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I mean I doubt that we get him, but soaking up other teams cap space helps our odds of a plan B (WR2 doesn't get the long term deal they want, takes a flyer with a contender)
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1 hour ago, mrags said:
I imagine it’s all going to happen almost at once. Like bang bang bang. For 3-4 straight days you will see updates of cuts, restructures, extensions. It will likely all happen before the tampering period starts but if I were a betting man, I’d bet against them going after any player in the first few days of free agency. My bet is they wait it out and look to not overpay for the high price, higher profile players. JMO
Pretty much. Unfortunately, there is a competitive disadvantage to releasing people early, especially cash strapped as the Bills are. Dumping new players into the marketplace right as legal tampering opens pushes greater supply into the market, meaning that there are more options for other teams to snap up.
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26 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:
Hamas and Biden both suck.
I mean, that's something that has bipartisan support
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
Brandon Beane is always worth a listen because he is a straight shooter and sometimes probably tells you more than he should. Having listened to his presser and his huddle with the Buffalo media here are my takeaways:
1. They are going to add a receiver early but it doesn't have to be a specific type and he doesn't have to have a specific skillset. They are going to evaluate all these guys in the round and the one they take will be because they think he is the best available at their spot and the value matches the round;
3. Rasul Douglas is not the absolute lock to be back I think most of us assumed. He twice went immediately to past tense when talking about him "I liked what he brought to our defense" and "it was a pleasure getting to know him." Now neither of those definitely mean he is gone, but there are ways of making those same points without phrasing in the past tense and as I said at the start sometimes Beane tells you more than he means to. It definitely made my ears prick up. He is almost $10m of pure savings with zero dead cap if they cut him. I'm not saying I expect them to but I thought the tense he used was interesting.
4. They are not going to use their 1st round pick on a safety. Beane was pretty clear that at that spot he thinks about smarts and study habits and not 40 times and athletic profiles. I think that screamed to be they are going to take a guy who is good on tape not good in shorts.
Do you have a link to it? I'm at work so I can't listen on the radio.
Agree on safety. I am not theoretically against taking a safety in the 1st round but none of the guys I've seen have moved the needle so far, and there is value to be had there in rounds 2-4. Receiver is a no duh.
35 minutes ago, HappyDays said:I've heard rumblings that Butler and McDermott didn't see eye to eye on Elam's usage. Butler didn't get along with Elam. That may be one reason he left. And it makes me wonder if McDermott is going to force the issue with Elam this year which would make Douglas somewhat redundant.
19 minutes ago, Einstein said:It may be the prudent move to let Douglas walk considering his age.
I just don’t know what our CB room is going to be like without him?
Tre coming off 2 ACL injuries, Benford who is often injured, and Elam?
Yikes.
I think this encapsulates the situation for me. I am not saying that I was bowled away by Elam in the times that he made it to the field. He made mistakes and got beat. On the flip side, when pushed into the fire he made plays like his INT vs the Steelers. It mystified me that the team would rather grab guys off the street rather than see what their 1st round pick could do.
That said, we are so incredibly thin at depth at CB that I would be mystified if we cut Douglas. I get not throwing money at an aging player, but does anyone think that he's going to command major free agent dollars on the open market?
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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
He can play Center, yep.
Was a good signing. I said at the time we made much better OL moves last offseason - signing McGovern and drafting Torrence - than the year before - signing Saffold and committing to Bates.
Disagree on Bates, mostly because I can't knock the team for taking an IOL insurance policy that's cheap but it's hard to argue that McGovern and Torrence weren't upgrades
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10 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Void years carry cap hits of 4.8M, 1.87M, and 935K in '26, '27, and '28 respectively. But if we extend his contract through any of those years we don't take any dead money hits.
An Ed Oliver restructure is likely to be reported next.
Greg Tompset at Cover One noted that the difference in the current NFLPA cap numbers was the number of Oliver and McGovern's potential base salary restructure, so I believe you are right.
Honestly, I am ok with it. Oliver frankly outplayed his contract last year, and though quieter I think McGovern did too, and he can be an emergency center if necessary. I am ok with both of those.
My only surprise is that I expected Dawkins, Johnson and Douglas to get deals done first, but in retrospect the restructures were probably quicker ones to bang out so Beane knows how to structure the extensions.
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I mean, the motive doesn't have to be complex here. The one they are explicitly saying out loud seems plausible.
Eric Washington and John Butler are older than Babbich, and were heads of their position groups longer. Going a season with no DC and then being passed over is a common reason to move elsewhere in a lot of professions. God knows I've done it.
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6 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
We're probably a year away from medicine. Von, and Knox are fairly obvious candidates for next year.
You could also potentially make several moves this year, but then it probably shifts your draft strategy. If you trade douglas, and cut white - you save a bunch, but now depth is absolutely barren - so you likely have to sign one and draft another 1 or 2. We need at least 1 safety for sure, cutting poyer just opens up another spot for a safety. Same for Morse, you may feel comfortable plugging in bates, but you're actively downgrading at that point.
To me its more of being very careful and methodical on extensions, term of extensions, age of players, etc. Avoid tacking on tons of void years this year to any free agent contracts, and realistically look for players you want on the roster for multiple seasons. And this is a draft that needs to have some day 1 contributors at potentially WR, S, and DT/DE.
I think the best analogy I've heard is effectively how property investors will take on debt. So long as the base income keeps growing, it is very possible to juggle debt sustainably. Sometimes your acquisitions have to slow as you pay out what is owed, or call some projects a wash and take a hit to get it off your spreadsheets. But careful management means sustainable growth and improvement.
Alternately, you max out everything and pray it works out. The Saints did the latter.
1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:Yep - then they snagged carr to try and extend the window with this team. I don't think he's really good enough to do it, but the winston saints were not going anywhere. 1-5 against playoff teams last year on a pretty soft schedule (5-0 against Carolina, NE, NYG, Chicago) tells you all you need to know though.
Oh I agree. Things were bad when Peyton left, but I hadn't realized that they had kept going.
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14 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:
How did the saints get this way when they’re just an average team
To make the post of Brees swan song years.
If they had taken a second title, I don't think they would have regretted it. The Bills might do the same with Josh.
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6 hours ago, JaCrispy said:
Yes, but we don’t want to restructure Diggs, Miller, or Knox…
The Bills will want to leave themselves an out, after the ‘24 season, if they want to cut bait with these guys…
I think that eventually getting free of those contracts will be crucial in Phase 2 of the rebuild…👍
My path did none on those things:
Josh restructure: 22M
Extensions for Dawkins, Taron and Rasul Douglas- ~6M in savings per by most estimates for ~18M
Cut Harty- 4m
Cut or pay it Hines -2-5 million
Cut Siran Neal- 3 M
There, even on conservative estimates that gets to my states amount without doing any of the stuff you were worried about. That means Von and Knox are cuttable or the Bills at least have leverage to redo the contract
Diggs is the one I really scratch my head on that people are so terrified of. With his money he's already almost a lock for 2025 and in his worst year with us was still top 15 in receiving yards and yet it's become a personal crusade to show him the door
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Quandre Diggs, Jamal Adams - Released from Seattle
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I'm still on a maybe. Continuity is still something important. I would much prefer a vet and a high draft pick at safety, but that requires figuring out our WR, DL and CB situation first and Beane is poker face on about those. As he should, it's just maddening for fans in the final week before we really see what the shape of the team looks like.