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1 hour ago, BBFL said:
He won’t be as cheap as one can hope and as discussed before in other threads, there is a host of Safeties who are around the same age him and will cost around the same $. He got injured twice last year: leg then pectoral. Whilst it probably won’t be career hindering there’s guys who’ve been just as productive, if not more, and missed less time.
Jordan Whitehead.
Xavier McKinney.
Kyle Dugger.
Jeremy Chinn.
Antoine Winfield Jr.
Darnell Savage.
Mike Edwards.
They won’t all available of course but one or two will.
I’d love Savage but there’s no way they let him walk out of GB. Same with Winfield in TB.
I hadn't seen it, but I appreciate the legwork. That's pretty much exactly what I was hoping for: that if 2-4 of those guys are free on Day 2 and 3, I think a cap friendly solution can be had. I would not hate a 3-4 year deal that puts the payoff around 2026, as that's when we are to work through our dead money and the expected big cap bump from all the streaming contracts and gambling should finally bear fruit.
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1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:
What’s odds he lasts an entire season while grooming that rookie?
Admittedly, not great. But if the plan is to have play above bottom feeder level at a budget I think the Bills can very much do worse.
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I ran across this on a BR article of "Free Agents the Bills should Avoid" so take this with a grain of salt.
He's coming off injury, but it was a pectoral muscle tear. He has some injury history, but he's played well when he's healthy. Last year the best he got was a one year deal for a $4 M cap hit for the Lions. In my mind that's the perfect short term pickup as we are phasing Poyer out and grooming a rookie.
What say you all?
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17 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
Lol was he calling the offensive plays in the second half or the red zone offensive plays in OT? Shanahan is a moron.
Pretty much where I am. 19 points? Against the Chiefs, the way they were playing us and the Ravens (two teams that were not supposed to be defensive pushovers)?
Hey, how did vaunted genius Kyle Shanahan do in terms of points vs the defense that Brady and Allen put up 24 on?
This is Shanahan covering his ass and picking a fall guy as everyone has to point out that he got blanked in the endzone repeatedly and got shut out of the 3rd quarter.
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Official now. Though seriously, he did a darn good job holding KC to what they had considering how the offense pooped the bed in the second half.
22 minutes ago, Logic said:Given his connections to Sean McDermott and the fact that he was unable to stop the Kansas City Chiefs in the biggest game of the year, he feels like a perfect fit for the Bills.
I mean, you joke, but I would absolutely take him on staff if McDermott roped him in for a year as Assistant Head Coach.
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30 minutes ago, msw2112 said:
I know this is an ESPN 30 for 30 documentary and is available on ESPN+. Is it also on Netflix?
It was when I watched it.
Of course The Last Dance is in a class of its own.
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7 minutes ago, jkeerie said:
NFL players deserve some down time. I don't begrudge them playing some golf in the off season. Plus...perhaps playing with Tiger he can receive some mental pointers regarding steadiness in the face of game adversity.
Josh really can help Tiger with that nowadays
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Curses, I was hoping the title meant he was hanging out with Joe Exotic along with Beane so they can discuss salary cap implications of cutting all of our starters
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Yep. Watched it when it first went on Netflix. It was well made, and agonizing to watch at times.
I am going to say, right now Netflix is doing some of the best sports documentaries of the era. The Untold series has some keepers, such as Malice at the Palace (I had never heard the backstory), Crimes and Penalties (mob boss buys minor league hockey team) and Operation Flagrant Foul (NBA official rigging scandal) were all very solid.
The Johnny Manziel one made me pity him even less.
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1 hour ago, DCOrange said:
FWIW, Dane Brugler of The Athletic put out his top 100 (big board, not mock) for this year's draft. The WR class ranks as follows (position rank in parentheses):
https://theathletic.com/5270481/2024/02/13/nfl-draft-2024-prospect-rankings-top-100/
2. Marvin Harrison Jr. (1)
3. Malik Nabers (2)
7. Rome Odunze (3)
14. Brian Thomas Jr. (4)
28. Keon Coleman (5)
34. Ladd McConkey (6)
35. Adonai Mitchell (7)
40. Troy Franklin (8)
45. Roman Wilson (9)
46. Xavier Worthy (10)
49. Malachi Corley (11)
54. Ja'Lynn Polk (12)
64. Tez Walker (13)
65. Jalen McMillan (14)
78. Ricky Pearsall (15)
80. Xavier Legette (16)
97. Brenden Rice (17)
I think the top four being considered top 15 picks has been fairly standard across all mocks and big boards I have seen.
The flux I am seeing is the appraisals of Coleman, and Franklin down,and it's a pretty big swath. If that keeps going, I would seriously consider looking in the 2nd round for a WR, either because the Bills trade back or stand pat and pick up a gem of a safety/DE
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I don't want to be the turd in the punchbowl, but these were effectively set the moment the regular season ended.
2 hours ago, MR8 said:The opponents are set, the schedule comes out in May
Who else thinks the Bills will be playing on Thanksgiving in Detroit next year??
I mean, I would not rule it out. If the viewer numbers have showed me anything it's that Buffalo consistently punches way over its weight class for primetime viewership and a disproportionate amount of our market watches. I mean that's why they got slotted there three years in a row, and a Detroit/Bills game would absolutely get views.
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1 minute ago, mrags said:
Yeah I think next years picks are much more likely to move. But I’m not sure a team would take it. Would have to be next years 1 probably to make it worth it for them
Indeed. It's less that I am opposed to the idea. I think it's possible that Beane manages a band-aid at 3/5 tech DT, a rotational DE (to supplement a theoretically rejuvenated Von, Rouss and Kingley Jonathan) and Safety with reasonably priced journeymen so there are no other positions that require a rookie as a Week 1 starter, and therefore we could splurge on WR2.
The question is, who is willing to take the deal, especially if they can claim an elite WR for themselves. It's really going to come down to draft night to see who slides.
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18 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:
A jets victory?
A Jet's pyric victory?
It would suck to lose to the Jets. I would take a dark knot of schadenfreude at them being utterly f****d by losing their last Rodgers "Discount Doublecheck" year and then needing to pay him (at minimum) $ 49 million of cap space
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3 minutes ago, mrags said:
I would really hope they would trade up for the “we think will be elite” guy vs the guy that will just be Robin to Diggs’ Batman. We need to find someone to eventually replace Diggs. At this point in his career Diggs would be an incredible #2
I mean, don't we all?
The problem is that the Bills don't have a ton of trade value at this point to move up in the first round. I know that the Draft Pick Point Chart isn't exactly a stable and reliable guide but the only way I see the Bills getting into even the late teens to early 20s is giving up their second rounder, and we have a lot of depth to fill.
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15 hours ago, Gregg said:
What they wore against the Bills when Rodgers got hurt is what they are going back to. Their fans loved those uniforms.
Maybe roll them out week 1 against the Bills and hope for the same result?
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12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
if we stay at 28 and Brian Thomas Jr or Troy Franklin are still on the board…you draft them! Man, I wish we could have both!!!!Absolutely for Thomas, as that would be a massive drop from where I've seen him projected. I wouldn't hate a trade up of a few of our 5ths and/or a 2025 pick to get him if he sneaks into the low 20s.
Troy Franklin looks like the perfect fit of position, talent and draft slot. Personally I would say pull the trigger.
My list from before is more a thought exercise. If, through the next two months, the Bills look at all of these receiver prospects and sees the tier of "we think will be elite" ends with Thomas and "instantly productive, isn't going to unseat Diggs anytime soon" starts with Franklin, and there are nine other guys they put in that tier, they might try to trade back or wait for round 2.
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50 minutes ago, Prospector said:
It's pronounced gif
I know it's a little thing, but yeah, it stands for " Graphics Interchange Format", so until we start pronouncing the first part Jraphics...
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Ouch, the OP better cut back on the drinking.
The decision on what to do with Tre White is not an easy one and depends heavily on something we the fans are not going to have the same level of insight on as the team: how is his recovery going.
Most data I have says that standard recovery is 9-10 months. You have Rodgers saying that he'd be fully recovered after three months of ayahuasca vision quests, but that seems to be the average with an understanding that the affected usually doesn't come back to full.
So what the Bills might get out of Tre is a gamble.
The trade off is that getting rid of him isn't a great spin on the prize wheel either. Not only does it leave your boundary CB options with only Douglas, Benford and Elam, but the Bills cannot straight cut Tre. Because he took a football injury, the Bills would have to give him an injury settlement, meaning his base salary is getting pro-rated based on how many games the two sides agree he'd miss recovering. On top of that, any gains by not paying out roster bonus, per game bonus, workout bonus and a fraction of base salary will have the lingering paid money from his signing bonus immediately subtracted.
So let's get down to hard numbers. The Bills and Tre agree to a 4 week injury settlement. Tre gets $2M in cash. You have now lost a former All Pro player and made a giant roster role that can't be filled in free agency for $4M in cap space in 2024.
Maybe that's the best we are going to get. Maybe it's just cutting our losses and socking away money for 2025. But the limited gains we get by moving on tells me that the Bills are going to try to get something for their money.
That's why you listen to your brain, not your "guts"
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49 minutes ago, NewEra said:
I’d rather take Franklin if he’s there but I agree with the rest.
Personally I am with you. I have seen him mocked to us a few times, and he sounds like the Peerless Price equivalent to take the top off the defense. That's what Gabe was supposed to be, and while he had a great game once a month that inconsistency hurt.
I've said elsewhere that Diggs has above average but not elite size and speed, and that his talents have been lain in combining that with excellent route running. But with bracket coverage you've had the offense need to scheme him open on short throws rather than letting him work the intermediate like he'd been doing.
The best antidote to teams sitting on short and intermediate routes is to burn them on deep throws. And as we saw in the KC game, but just Didn't. Have. That.
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2 hours ago, NewEra said:
Agreed. The more I watch of the prospects, I’m not enamored with any of the WRs that will be there when we pick (I’m in the camp that thinks Thomas Jr and Troy Franklin will be gone by 28). I view Mitchell, Coleman, Leggette, worthy, McConkey and the rest as rd 2 guys. Problem being, I think all of those guys will be gone within the first 10 picks of rd 2. Trading down a few spots and getting more picks and options for maneuverability later in the draft makes a lot of sense (if Thomas and Franklin are gone).
Pretty much. I mean, I think there is a decent chance that the Bills get a crack at a guy. The Bears, Patriots, Commanders, Giants, Titans, Falcons, Broncos, Raiders, Seahawks and potentially Vikings all have uncertainty about QB and I expect a bunch of them will try to draft one within the first few rounds. There are almost certainly 2-3 OTs taken in the top 15.
I imagine that Harrison, Nabers, Oduze and Thomas will all be gone by the time the Bills. If one of them makes it, you spring to the podium and thank your lucky stars.
I would like Franklin, would probably be a good fit, but if at 28 and there is Franklin, Coleman, Adonai Mitchell, Keon Coleman, Xavier Worthy, McConkey, Devontez Walker, Polk, Pearsall and Wilson, and Bills aren't struck dead in awe with any of them I'd rather see us move back into the second round for them, or take a massively dropped DE or S and then spend some of those 5ths to get into the middle of the 2nd.
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10 hours ago, John from Riverside said:
I’m totally in the Troy Franklin camp
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We cannot deny that we have a huge problem forming on the defensive line
What wide receiver would be available in the second if they ended up going defensive line in the first
It’s not what I would do but it might be what beane will do
1 minute ago, NewEra said:We’d probably have to trade up at least 10 spots in rd 2 to get a WR worthy of what we need. Maybe 15-20
One scenario I've been noodling on is this:
In this scenario Beane has a list tier prospects that he considers "top end, would be the #1 on most teams almost immediately, will likely replace Diggs as a #1 sooner than later" and another tier that is "can start at #2, is going to need 2-3 years of seasoning before I think he's going to surpass Diggs"
If Tier 1 is empty by the low 20s, and there are 5-6 guys on Tier 2 I would not be upset if he trades back to top end of the 1st round (Carolina or another desperate teams wants a shot at a QB, someone like the Commanders or Titans has fallen in love with a prospect Beane is meh on) to rack up more picks and work on the D-line and S with multiple picks in the 2nd and 3rd.
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8 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
I covered the reasons in another thread, but it's not going to happen. I'd imagine he takes a paycut. But Hines is going to get Training Camp to show whether or not he's still got it.
I mean it better be an appreciable pay cut
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53 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:
They can save $19 million against the cap if they trade him post June 1. Of course, most decent free agents will be gone at that point but I'd still rather let beane have 19 million to play with, plus whatever draft capital we receive in return, than having diggs back on the team.
Again, I feel what is worth noting that whatever cap space is freed for 2024 via a June 1 cut comes due in 2025.
It's like getting a payday loan to bid on storage units, only the money gets released late and everyone already has had first pick. Maybe you get lucky, but no matter what that loan is due.
2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:The buzz in Vegas last week says there’s a very good chance that you get your wish.
Where is the betting on that? I'm about to fleece some hot take readers.
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A few:
- McDermott is better than most you'll get around the league.
- Josh shouldn't have even tried for the touchdown to Shakir, instead burn the clock.
- Stefon Diggs is going to play out the next two years here.
- Depending on circumstance, Von might be worth keeping around for 2025
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Potential FA Target: Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Yay or Nay
in The Stadium Wall
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I think we can honestly say that the situation is "budget free agents or no free agents"