murra

What are you smoking? Anytime someone in their first two years playing LT makes the probowl (I don't care what his reputation is around here), you have to assume 1st and 2nd MINIMUM in return. I would not take anything else. But assume that you would get two 1sts, (One in 09, one in '10). Oh, and this thread is the worst of all the trade threads i've seen on the boards this offseason. Not only was it being discussed in every other thread, but obviously the Broncos are not going to trade Cutler for a guy they don't need. AT ALL.

http://www.buscook.com/component/option,com_expose/Itemid,5/ Don't know if that link worked or not, but... no Bill according to his website is represented.

This is exactly the ridiculous speculation we need.

What is this garbage? Ruben steak on weck?

I can now add you to the growing list of members who's posts I will ignore entirely.

I think nothing of Cassel, and agree with you 100% about Cutler being the better QB, but whether it's a product of their team or not...Cassel beat the Bills twice this season, and the Bills beat Cutler in a pressure situation at home. I think Cutler is the better QB, no doubt, I'm just saying it's not entirely unfair for biased McDaniels to have tried to make a move. I mean thus far, Cassel has proven to be a winner, Cutler, a loser.

Is anyone else baffled by this? One minute he's offended that his name was mentioned in the same sentence as the word trade... ...now he asks to be traded. This sure has been a marketing campaign for this guy this off-season. I'm not sure it did wonders for his reputation, but he certainly got his name talked about.

Same here.

What are you talking about? Their safeties are not even close to SB caliber? We have one of the top CBing unit in the AFC, and Whitner is well above average...I don't think you grasp the term "not even close"

What are you talking about? I never said that the secondary was SB caliber, I just wanted to know who thought they weren't close. McGee, McKelvin + serious depth, and Whitner alone definitely means you have a satisfactory or beyond secondary. I just wanted to know what dunce thought they were "not even close" that's all.

I knew you would say that. Look, this is fine, I'm just objecting politely on the basis that I feel this topic wouldn't have been deemed even discussion worthy had T.O. not been signed. I'm merely saying that everyone (it sounds like) would have said something to the effect of, "We have a ST unit that's it" or, "You can't be serious." Look, I'm all for seeing what everyone on the wall has to say about this, I'm just saying that the collective optimism is unnecessarily high right now, whereas if this topic had been posted previously you'd have been laughed at for even wondering.

I would like the person who voted our coaching staff sufficient, and the guy who voted our secondary not even close to step up (hopefully it's not the same person). Seriously...I really would like to hear some logic behind either of those arguments.

A month ago this topic is considered absurd and preposterous. We sign an ancient starting WR and all of the sudden we're curious as to how close we are to the superbowl?

Someone sent me this youtube video, and I had never seen it, or a variation of it before, but it's damn funny... It spoofs the T.O. signing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okhiJjuefPw

That right there is the definition of irony.

On second thought...is anyone else sick and tired of these second to third round DE's who show little marginal talent and progress slowly or not at all but remain on our roster for what feels like decades?

And sorry for sabotaging this thread, there isn't much more to say on Trent being in Buffalo, other than that he is supposed to be showing up within the next weeks anyways for team meetings as it is.

You see, when someone is able to put their ideas and thoughts on a situation down in one or two nice lengthy posts, it's difficult to misinterpret their logic, and where they come from. I think the more and more I read your posts, Dean, the more I begin to realize that when it comes to sports, many message boards don't cut it because you rarely end up getting someone's entire perspective (often times they don't even have one and just blather away whatever meaningless topic they can muster). In having fully grasped your stance on this, I'm also happy to realize where some fans sit on this (considering I take your wiser words to be more of the general consensus for all of the older generation Bills fan...think of yourself as the spokesman for all Bills fans two generations older than me). Dare I ask The Senator to extrapolate on his thoughts as to why Jason Peters is not worthy of being on our roster, and should be traded immediately?

It's difficult to deny the raw talent Peters possesses, so from the standpoint of, you think we should sign him, it's very difficult for me to argue. Considering that we're on the same page in that regards, I'm not quite sure I'm satisfied with your other arguments. Yes, it's not likely that he will be a hold-out issue each off-season, and yes, it seems obvious that the Bills "owe" him one, but in my opinion, that's not how it works. I'm not saying you said that's how it works, I'm simply using your logic that he was a foot soldier who paid his dues and therefore is a reliable guy. You see I think that's where this whole Peters contract situation is flawed. Peters obviously has an insane value right now. Unlike The Senator, however, I think he is fantastic. The reason that I say trade him, rather than, trade him if a deal doesn't work is because I do believe there to be some baggage. It's not terrible baggage. Just the right amount of injuries, behavior, and lack of leadership and team unity type stuff that I'm not willing to compromise with for a mega contract. I think that if The Senator's right, and we can get what we want for this guy, then there is no reason not to. If other teams see this type of baggage as an issue (and I'm sure there are those that will, and many that wont), then so be it. He is a top 5 LT in his prime, coming of age, and therefore I feel The Senator, however he feels about his actual ability, is right in assessing that the Bills should dangle this guy out there. One final note... If you're satisfied with trading Peters for a LT and a pick, then perhaps it's you who is undervaluing this guy's ability. I mean, I'm not too certain a deal like that will ever pan out, so it's difficult to really even debate on this further, but don't you feel like this guy's reputation would actually warrant some serious value in return?

Any way you can snag a guard, tight end, and defensive end in the top 45 picks is obviously a complete success. I have a feeling that the Bills may have to trade down to get this done as the talent at pick number 11 is looking like it might not be worth it.

What time does your middle school let out? 3:00? You should try modified sports or something to help with your boredom because I'm pretty sure this isn't working out.

Despite what Mike Schopp has told you, it's not that simple.

Rather than opposing The Senator's general reasoning for why he is for a Peters trade, could you provide some reasons Dean why you're against one?

Still enjoying your health care plan?

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