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Promo- The D stepped up in the second half of the season many games, and Fitz/Chan could muster no O. The Bills barely ever played a full 60 mintues on both sides of the ball. The D i believe has the capability to be good, given the right scheme and a couple LBs. But until the Bills address the QB we are stuck at .500 or worse. Fitz is his own worst enemy, he can not handle success or expectations. He has proven that to me at least.

OP brings up good points about Landry playing in the style D Pettine wants to run. Byrd has not yet and thus he may be great at it or may not. Byrd would probably do good at an attacking style D that forces QB's to make a forced decision. Ball Hawks flourish in systems like that. The Williams to safety thing sounds good due to his size, however when you think about it can he really play safety? He has shown little ball skills, and to me i do not see him as a fill the box run stuffer. When you think about guys who moved to safety from CB most of the time it was because they where losing a step or because their skills could be maximized in that role. What about Williams' skill set has shown he can play safety. There are plenty of 6'2 200+ lb guys on this board, none of us could play safety in the NFL, right?

Does Fitz have any trade value? Does the NFL allow for trades where a team can pay some of a players salary like in baseball? Not sure if this is an option or not. Or have Fitz restructure his deal with the Bills to a more reasonable one and than trade him?

This was my thought after the NC game. I think Teo will be a solid pro, not an all pro by any means and will have a hard time getting on the field his rookie season. He has so much to deal with also off the field due to all the other stuff. The fact that Gruden is having him on his show is another media hype thing. Lattimore on is to talk about the knee and such. I am sure both agents got their clients on the show.

Fitz has to go plain and simple. No excuse to bring him back. You know what he is and will just be a distraction to whoever you bring in to be the starter. Fitz has had two plus seasons to show he is a starting QB, that is enough.

He was a Pro's pro. Never heard a word out of him, T.M. just went out and played. Father time caught up with him and wore down his body. Thank you for all the years and plays! We can hope made an impression on some of the younger guys you played with on how to carry yourself on and off the field!

You think? That is more than Grubbs or Nix got last year, right?

John- I am not questioning his toughness or the fact he called guys out. Those are great attributes. But does his play equal his salary? Can the Bills use that money in better places? Do the Bills need to spend the type of money he will be making on a back up/role player? I do not think Kelsay stinks. Just to be clear on that.

That is kind of my thought too. These agents and teams all know how to play the game. An agent knows before FA officially starts who and what they will pay for their clients services. Kind of like the deal that Haynesworth made with the Redskins at 1201 to start FA a few years back.

Ok so if your Levitre what would you do? He has played on a losing team for 4 years. Played for 2 HC and has no reason to give the Bills a discount. So if say a teamthat has been in the play offs 3 out of the last 4 years came knocking and was able to offer more money, what would you do? I still think he stays. The moves the Bills are making signifies they are going to spend money. I would be amazed if Levitre is not back. Buddy and Whaley want a good line and have shown they will pay their guys to stay. Smart business move on Levitre to test the waters some. i am sure his agent has already put together a list of teams in need of interior line help that have money and also have playoff potential/experience lately.

Keep Byrd and Levitre(if around 7mil a season). Go after Bowe and Cason. Cason would be a good add to our D i think. He is young and has shown to be solid but not great to this point(a big upgrade over ever other corner except Gilmore on our roster last year). Him and Gilmore would be a nice CB tandem for the next 4 years. Bowe provides the wr to help take pressure off Stevie. If The Bills pulled off these moves i think we would be helping both sides of the ball greatly.

How do you get that from that? I mean all that said was he is cleared to play and gave his base salary. I am not saying he will be back with the Bills or will not but that blurb from rotoworld just stated some facts. facts which Kelsay and his agent probably supplied.

Take his team mate Ogletree. Ogletree will turn out to be the better pro long term i think. He is the guy i want to see what he weighs and how fast he is at the combine. I really do not like th ecombine but for a guy that is a converted safety to lb, it will be interesting to see. If Ogletree comes in at 250 and has the same speed and agility he had, he is your pick. Can cover the Lb's and is every bit as good as any LB the Bills have had since Fletcher left.

I would like to see the Bills approach Kelsay like they did McGee. Restructure his contract to a more suitable one for a back/rotational guy. This would be of course if Pettine thinks he can play a role on the new D. If not and/or Kelsay will not rework his deal, cut him!

The Bills will try at all costs to keep him. i think the one thing Buddy and Whaley agree on is you need a good Oline. If Levitre leaves it will be because he does not want to play in Buffalo. I do not think that is the case. It sounds like the Oline was a pretty tight group. They called themselves the 'wolf pack' i believe. I see Levitre getting around $7mil a season. Other than him the Bills do not have to worry about spending big money till maybe Glenn developes in two years. Woods is solid but has missed time in two of his first four seasons. He will be the tougher one to figure out what to do with next year.

A back up qb left on the team he was a starter for is a bad idea. You bring up the fact that by some miracle Brady threw 4 picks in a game and the Bills won on a last second field goal at HOME, is the very reason why it is a bad idea. Cut Fitz, let him go be a back up for another team, or even compete for another teams starting job. To do so in Buffalo will just keep the franchise stuck where it is and has been for 12 years. If you love the Bills and like Fitz honestly the best thing to do is cut him... Sorry but you know what he is capable of with the Bills.

Does anyone really think it is a good idea to bring back a guy you know is not ever going to be great? You know what you have in Fitz. Excuses for why he is what he is are all over this board. But after this much time, why should anyone believe he is more than what we have seen for 2+ seasons? I do not like the idea of bringing him back for a few reasons. Mostly because it could upset the locker room. If you do draft a rookie, and he starts to show promise, but has a bad game or two, the 'put in FITZ' crowd will be very hard to ignore. The Bills need to make a decision to bring him back or cut him. But this something in the middle has disaster written all over it.

Canty has versatility for the 3-4 or 4-3 fronts Pettine is sure to use. He is 30 so will want a decent sized deal. 3-4 years due to his age and this being the last 'big' contract he will get. The injury will keep the number down some, but he will still make 4-5 a season, at least. Not sure the Bills will spend that? Given they need help at LB and CB more so. .

Watched Boley play in Atl. I wanted the Bills to pick him up when the Giants got him. He was a very solid player for Atlanta. 31 does not scare me too much for a LB. As long as he is healthy. having a LB with coverage can only help... "Michael Boley was brought here as a fast, athletic, versatile linebacker," coach Tom Coughlin said. "We recognized his special skills were in coverage. He's a smart player who made some big plays for us. He was an integral part of our Super Bowl XLVI championship team. Michael played outstanding football down the stretch for us that season." Sounds like the kind of guy we need for a year or two to help guys like Bradham develope. The Bills still would need a LB or two in the draft.

Not necessarily. Scouts, especially guys just getting going do not make a ton of money. Not to mention you do travel for months and months at a time.

It was Karma. The 49ers stoped the Falcons with similar type coverage to get into the Super Bowl. Roddy White was clearly contacted before the ball reached him by Bowman on the fourth down play to end the game. No call, game over. Can't have it both ways.

The Bills have a first year head coach. the last thing he needs is a player that could cause him problems in the locker room. he SHOULD go to a team like N.E. N.E. has a strong HC, good locker room and a QB that would not put up with a second of his antics. That said i doubt NE picks him up. If they do it would come after BB and Brady have both sat down with him.

I do not think it is either. The thing about Whitner is i believe him to be the classic 'look what we did guy'. When in fact he was not the contibuting factor to what got done. I would go as far to say Whitner got exposed last night for what he always was, a below average safety. Due to the great pass rush San Fran normally got all year he benefited. Last night the Ravens Oline played great for most of the game. Whitner can not cover. He got caught on many other plays making bad angles and not being anywhere near the hole. Not sure he will be cut, but i can bet the 49ers go secondary early and often in the draft.

I do not know if it was sour grapes or what on my part,but i laughed and smiled when Lil Donte got lit up on the first 2 TD's. The fact that it was the first two told me something. The Ravens watched film and saw that Whitner was a weakness. They exploited it early and often. they knew Donte could not cover and thus went right at him. That game should shut him up on tweets for awhile. Or maybe he will come out and blame the scheme like he did for Buffalo. Or maybe the 'fit' was not good for some reason last night like while he was in Buffalo. OR maybe Whitner is a below average player on a very solid D? That is the only reason he got a pro bowl nod? The game last night showed Marv was wrong to pick him at 8 and we should be glad he is not in Buffalo anymore!!!

Bill you have always been spot on when it comes to Oline. But Rogers is horrible. Williams may not be better. They both stink at corner. Can Williams play safety? Maybe. Can Pettine can come in an light a fire under a few butts on D? Maybe. I am sure Williams will be given every opportunity to show what he has this pre-season.