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All great points. Agree with the point made. However , I’m sure like me there are those on here that have watched the bills or football for 30-40 years. The eye test , your gut feeling, your basic football knowledge, intuition, whatever you call it is a real thing and probably just as valid judging a teams play quality by mathematical analysis or other metrics. You know when the Bills look good and have that swag. This year it’s not there , at least yet. Yes we beat the ravens by 1 point , after they just did things to collapse and we did force some lucky turnovers. 9/10 times we lose that game but that night things went our way by ONE POINT after our d gave up 40! We all know giving up 40 usually is a loss. So in my eyes it’s a win , but that’s about all to say about it. Then we beat poor teams like the jets, saints , panthers. We lose at home where you normally are given a 3 point edge , to a qb just starting his second year , a new head coach just beginning to build his roster , and we looked bad on 0 , scoring what 20, after Beane baby chastised a radio host because we lead the league LAST YEAR SCORING 30 a game. Where was 30 that game Beane baby. First real evidence that take cook away and WRs can’t get open. Plus we saw a player Beane had praised be disciplined , fumble in the pats red zone , and drop passes while flailing his arms ! Not the true 50/50 , greatly improved guy we were told about in camp. Beane digging in on his delusion. We proceed to go to Atlanta. Everybody knew we had to stop 2 people , Robinson and the receiver. We gave up an embarrassing 335 yards in the first half and our offense looked terrible as cook was easily shut down. Josh looked confused as did the o line. Terrible game. Since the fins demolished the falcons as did another team and we saw how great the fins were tonight. Two bad losses when many on this lard touted an undefeated season or how it was a given for the 1-seed! You know who you are ! Every football analyst like Orlovsky , the nfl films guy on brownies bills show , even fitzy tonight on prime stayed the bills are not playing as goood as the chiefs or colts and it comes down to 3 things. Like Steve smith said , thus is a wr corp of 3’s and 4’s and Coleman is not that guy now , and is playing lazy snaps and so afraid to be hit he didn’t even look at the db on a slant , just caught the ball with his body and turtled rather than catch w his hands and get yac. They all state this wr corp is not sb quality. They all also point out Josh’s decrease in performance and no ones sure why tho a terrible receiving corp he lacks confidence in may play a role. Even Josh admitted his fundamentals are off. Finally , but not least , all who are honest know this d has been a mess until last game. But do you trust your analysis playing a terrible team with a horrible perfidy by dalton to say thus d is now good? I don’t. Dalton is no Mahomes , and Reid wasn’t coaching Dalton. My point is, trust your eye test and your bills knowledge. Reid is 4-0 against McD in playoffs , while we are 4-1 in regular season games. This is not a typical regular season game. It’s critical in the standings first both. If we lose , kiss the 1 seed which Beane and Mcd stressed so much as the path to the SB all offseason! Pats will prob take the division based on schedule. We lose and KC , colts, ravens , pats are all suddenly looking to be peaking at the right time , November, and we are fighting for a wild card in all likelihood. So far we have beaten only poor teams except for the very lucky win against the ravens, and watching them tonight , if we play them again it’s likely we lose. They are getting more healthy , we aren’t and we are filling our roster with guys we previously let go over a year ago ( and they were also let go by other teams ) , and our starters like benford , Milano, our undersized mlb , Coleman , white are not living up to expectations as we wait to see if Hancock and Hairston can catch up. We even have a ? At kicker now. Palmer is out and Oliver is out , not good for a game we’re already overmatched talent wise ( an opinion by most analysts , and both sides of the ball). So , yes , we have a record of 5-2. BARELY! My eyes tell me this roster is not SB quality , and perhaps Josh can do enough if he plays better , to get us a wildcard birth and outside shot at the division should we lose against KC. I dint have faith in Beane doing anything but protecting his own reputation and pride. While the world calls for a wr addition like olave, I’m betting he does nothing to help Josh w a wr. He will point out Gabriel is on the way! He was terrible in Jax! Not all wins are equal. If so , we have the better record , playing at home ( yet we’re home dogs) so we should beat KC , right? Hey we could get a cowboys like running type win, but spags is no cowboy. What does your gut , your eye test of bills play say to you? Mine says if we get behind at any time by more than 1 possession, it’s over. My eyes also tell me it will lead to more losses with a wr corp that like Steve said , is poor and filled with WRs who scare no other team. Another wasted year of a superstars career that is half over or more. Quality of opposition, quality of wins is predictive of future play. If you dont believe that , then explain how Vegas sets odds and why they are so successful at attaining wealth ? Can the Bills win Sunday ? Yes if they run well and win the turnover battle by 2 imo. My eyes also tell me we beat crap teams so far , KC is getting better and they have a larger margin to make mistakes and win. I think they pound this d , Brady abandons the run , and this wr corp can’t get open to make up any deficit. Bills possibly miss playoffs with a loss, while a win to me means they have embraced being a run team and they make Josh the superstar , a manager as Beane won’t get quality WRs. That’s not great to watch in all honesty but winning is all that matters now. Prior games have meaning and so far this roster looks below par being lead by a true star whose career is flying by. Beane is nice? I see him as arrogant. Happy Halloween!
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Not sure if it was mentioned but Orlovsky did his weekly appearance w tasker and brown where they asked him about Josh. Orlovsky was very honest and stated Josh has not played well approximately the last 4 games. He is missing easy throws , missing open receivers, his scrambling looks off where he is usually dangerous in that way. It was a very frank , honest assessment coming from an analyst that could get dropped if he offends the regime, but he didn’t hold back. He did say the WRs are not threatening really to anyone. But he was firm he expected better play from last years mvp. On the other hand he remarked how good Mahomes is playing and looks to be in SB OR prior good form. Our O does not have a defining personality outside running cook , and that was almost exclusively toss pitch runs the last game. KC once again is coming up with innovative plays , and they have a multitude of receivers who bring different threats the bills will have to find ways to cope with. They have speed, speed plus strength ( rice) , thorton stretching the field , Hollywood brown with speed and experience, and of course Kelce. Hunt will still be able to run with pichecko out. Basically , bills will have to score over 32 to beat the chiefs , or teams like the colts , bronchos , and KC come playoff time according to Orlovsky. He and tasker both ended saying we have to score on most possessions to keep up with KC and have a chance to win this week. Neither sounded enthusiastic, but the main point is Josh is not playing well despite what he says regarding certain passes. The wr corp is poor at getting open but Josh looks out of sync. Cower stated the same while on the SHOUT podcast but of course believes in Mcd etc. Matt bove along w Howard Simon and Joe buscaglia all feel the wr corp needs an addition, w. Howard being especially critical. They feel KC is a critical game for the season. Beane obviously didn’t make any moves in time for KC regarding the WRs , so I wouldn’t see the point trading if we lose. Pats just have such an easy schedule. Hard to feel positive playing KC as right now Josh and Mahomes look to be playing at different levels; if Palmer doesn’t play ( Orlovsky thinks he is important) and spags neutralizes cook , it’s could be season changing for the Bills.
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Diggs was a #1 wr by all definitions and Brady managed to misuse him enough that Diggs got frustrated and worked his way out. He had a great wr crew at lsu winning a national title with burrows and chase etc. He knows what to do , most can see he is being controlled by McD who called him out unprofessionally in a presser saying playcalling got too cute. Mcd did similar things with daboll. Now in addition the gm refuses to draft a wr with a first round pick ( only exception is kincade , a te, not wr ). In addition Beane chose to attack a radio host , white, about not supplying Josh w wr talent. Unprecedented stuff and gives insight how either mcd or Beane prefer to win; ball control with low risk for turnovers , and running the ball augmented with short yardage quick passes. Why do we need a UNICORN QB led by a controlling HC who is afraid to let the qb be himself and be so risk adverse it’s a boring style of football to watch? THATS ALL FINE,BUT, they hide behind being lucky enough to have hit on Josh as their franchise qb. Thier draft record is filled w many more misses , as is free agency , and Beane has given out many poor contracts putting them in cap difficulty for a while now. It’s all self inflicted. We have a supposed great defensive HC yet his defenses are the weakest part of the team ( 31 st against the run going into yesterday ), with small oft injured lbs, low sack producers , perhaps the worst db room we’ve had ( other experts analysis , Orlovsky) , and Beane has resorted to bringing back old prior fired players like Poyer to fill the ps. I’ve followed football 40:plus years and have never seen roster construction like this. Mcd is in his 9 th process year and has 0 sb APPEARANCES, DESPITE 5 east titles POSSIBLE BECAUSE BRADY / Belicheck who dominated Mcd are gone. Add the most egregious loss caused by poor coaching, 13 seconds, which blew a red hot playoff qb run by Josh and the team keeps losing to the same franchise , KC! Now there are signs a competent coach may have a franchise qb with the pats becoming a legit challenger and a 4-0 start was blown as we are a legit second place in the division. A win against a hapless Carolina team led by an incompetent red rifle did little to prove the passing woes with this wr corp will be adequate when a team like KC stops cook from running. Also throw in a team AND QB appearing disinterested or maybe going thru the motions until their expected or entitled playoff appearance ( after preseason saying they needed the 1 seed to get to the sb ) and I think even the best fans are tired of lip service about a Lombardi when the play we are watching is honestly uninspired. it difficult to feel passion for a regime that always talks championship caliber play but we. Know we really aren’t witnessing that quality of play Finally, we also know Allen is a once in a lifetime qb with phenomenal throwing and running skills. We’ve seen him be remarkable before despite only once having a legit #1wr ( mostly Beane provided him with bums , avg free agents , low round wr picks ), and in his 8 th year his time is rapidly passing while it’s obvious he is being restrained this year from running and the current wr corp has no legit speed , deep threat, or talent that opposing defenses MUST ADJUST / ACCOUNT For, and even Allen’s grandmother commented on his unhappiness. So tell me do you really exoexct the prideful Beane , after nationally bragging about attacking the radio host who challenged his wr choices , to swallow his pride after a 40-9 win which he will use to justify this crazy roster building ( while we know it was a meaningless win and our passing game looked anemic still) , AND BRING IN WR HELP MIDSEASON? Probably not. Plus we’ve seen midseason additions not integrated well in the past. It’s depressing seeing a new qb like maye grab all the headlines while a true star like Allen is throttled back by this staff and all under an owner who seemed like a nerdy sports clueless guy on hard knocks who seems unlikely to demand better coaching and RESULTS! I can’t be enthusiastic blindly again unless they actually win in the playoffs now. I bet I’m not alone in thinking like this. I’ll watch , but expect little UNTIL they at least get to a SB. REMEMBER , WE WENT TO 4 straight before with less talent at qb but a roster that had multiple HOF INDUCTED PLAYERS ,A COACH AND GM! Happy Halloween!
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That’s a big “IF”. ! Falcons got smoked by the fins , we beat dalton behind a patchwork o line. Hardly convincing stuff. Let’s see how many times they get to Mahomes ; then we will have a more accurate picture about playoff type football. I don’t see Cook running for 200 yards either as Reid will key on him. I agree with you tho , perform like that against KC, and it would be reason to be optimistic. Pats have an easy schedule tho, we will be without Oliver most Likely as well,, so we might be a wildcard and should that happen , it will be like prior years as not getting that week off and playing on the road is unlikely to lead to a Super Bowl. I prefer to see the Bills actually beat some quality teams like KC, TAMPA, OR PITTSBURGH before fully buying in. Hey , they have fooled me for 8 years so now prove sometime to me. Happy Halloween!n
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Ed Oliver bicep injury - likely out regular season
DrPJax replied to DJB's topic in The Stadium Wall
Yep, against possibly one of the worst OL ‘salso riddled with injuries. Plus it was an immobile Andy dalton. Won’t happen against Mahomes. It does matter who you play and we always struggle to sack Mahomes. Great w today , but just keeps pace w the Pats who have a very easy schedule compared to the Bills. Get 7 sacks against the chiefs and I will be very impressed. Pretty sure Reid is smart enough to take away cook running. Our oc still can’t find him in our passing game. Our o line will struggle protecting against Jones per usual and if Palmer is still out ,it migt be a long day for Allen. He still doesn’t seem like himself; escaping backwards and he never scrambled at all today. Guess someone is not wanting him to run ?! Wonder if it is Mcd, Brady, Beane , or his beautiful wife? If it’s her , I would completely understand as no way could football ever compare to keeping her a happy wife! lol! Next week will tell us the truth , this w is like fools gold ! lol! I don’t care what anyone says , not every W is created equal! Best wishes , Happy Halloween! -
Yeah , but who covers for poyers lack of speed while he’s teaching bishop? It’s a ridiculous premise , bringing back players you cut two years ago for declining play and now suddenly they are answers for the starting lineup? It’s laughable , it’s a lack of vision by Beane and it’s his worst moves as the gm so far forced by his inability to draft well enough to have young talent developing. No other franchise is operating like this. . If your draft picks are all injured and not adding much outside of one pick , then you are failing and your priorities need adjusting. It’s the 9 th year of the process which has not reached a SB, let alone win one , and there are other teams progressing now like the pats, broncos , colts , while the chiefs are looking like their consistent afc championship form. Bills d is the worst by far against the run and SB teams usually run well and stop the run well. This has the warning signs of another failed year , and Allen’s career is going by rapidly. He is pressing and not processing well as he can’t trust the wr corps. Holding on to this coaching regime next year is just accepting the status quo by fearing change. Pegula has not proven he can manage to produce championship caliber franchises, and he appears to lack true sports knowledge . Carolina goes in today undefeated at home on a 3 game wining streak while the Bills come in losing two in a row , ranked 31 st in the nfl against the run. If they lose today , the wheels are falling off and KC will prove just how lacking the Bills are next weeek. Beane should be held accountable, yet imo it won’t happen.
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Look, some guys don’t translate well to the NFL. Coleman has had his issues after Poyer hit him and he is still not eager for contact. Why take on another head case? Bills have enough guys who end up as healthy scratches ; we can’t fix every problem player and in fact look at what happened with cooper. His enthusiasm was waning and he played soft and missed more games after his “ wrist injury”, only to retire this year. Samuels has been another mess. Palmer had so far been disappointing. This guy has looked terrible in Jax and so why bring in another receiver with issues when it’s already a problem issue? Quit falling in love with names; production matters and film doesn’t lie. The Bills can’t even develop their own home grown 5th wr who made it this year, and our OC can’t use the current wr corp in a way to help them get open so why would you think a struggling wr is a good thing to pursue? Allen isn’t playing his best either so it’s not like he is some wr whisperer currently. If they can’t bring in a seasoned vet who has proven he can produce the chances are that wr even reaching the field are slim based on past use of additions mid season by this team. What has Allen brought out of Palmer? Be realistic. Beane is not about to admit he failed to address the wr corp appropriately, just ask Jeremy white! Why expect any midseason addition will play some great role; when was the last time that happened as in their minds based on mcds pressers , the offense and defensive playbooks are very complicated and it takes a while to get up to speed. That’s not how other teams work but it’s been proven that’s this coaching regimes historical pattern. This team needs help, not another problem to solve. Maybe they should prove they can fix Coleman before adding another underperforming head case !
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They can’t make up for small lbs who can’t stay healthy and are now afraid to shoot gaps and hit and who suddenly even struggle in zone coverage. We are the worst team in missing tackles. They also can’t make up for white being done and unable to cover anyone as QBs target him. They can’t make up for Bedford suddenly playing like a 6 th round talent. They can’t make up for safety play that has been horrendous with Rapp not making any impact and bishop making horrible reads and being unable to tackle backs. The dl wasn’t the worst part of the d this year, it’s an injured small lb group , cb play who rarely get pbu’s , and safties that are just poor with communication and hitting. Good teams , especially KC , will absolutely shred this d. Who can’t see this coming ? The ped guys also can’t run routes and can’t force the oc to quit putting players in boxes and utilize the best rb in the passing game. Mcd has finally gotten two yes men as coordinators who are only allowed to do what he wants and unfortunately he is an offensive mind. He is a defensive guru supposedly yet our d 9 years into his tenure is probably the worst it has ever been. Two avg free agents aren’t going to fix this mess. Throw in beans poor drafting with d assets while ignoring weapons for Josh while smugly ridiculing critics and it’s a mess they deserve to be in. The colts and pats are playing better and that’s the reality of not infusing new talent , but bringing back guys you already cut once for deteriorating play.
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The Bills lost their best Fan this morning.
DrPJax replied to CircleTheWagons99's topic in The Stadium Wall
Really feel for you , it’s heartbreaking to lose your loyal companion and friend after building so many memories. They are always giving unconditional love and they are so innocent that it just doesn’t seem fair when they get illnesses we can’t control or treat. You are a better person for having him in your life those years and it’s just such a special bond that is understandable only by going thru it Wishing you the best and it sounds like he was a great buddy. Thanks for sharing. , as a fellow dog person I hope the pain eases with time. I’m 68 and to this day remember each of the pets I had growing up and how much they meant to me at stages of my life. Each one was special for their own unique reasons and that’s something that is priceless. Best wishes. -
A Few Thoughts about the Pats Game - Post yours as well
DrPJax replied to Virgil's topic in The Stadium Wall
Great post. This team really makes me feel it’s a pig with lipstick unfortunately. They have been in control in one game only and could easily be 2-3 just as easily as we have squeaked out being 4-1; nothing has looked easy as it’s never about good complimentary football like Mcd preaches. The d , like Chris sims has stated may be the worst db room in football, is filled with flaws at every level and once again proved it can’t make stops when it really matters. Tonight it just was compounded by a lackluster offensive performance. I watch most of the NFL games , and while we aren’t the Ravens debacle , we don’t play like a championship caliber team with championship TALENT; we win if things go our way and we are facing less talented coaching staffs or teams with QBs that are notably inferior. We are a team that rarely gets sacks , rarely makes quality pass break ups or plays by the dbs ( pats quality dbs broke up the critical pass to Shakir , our dbs get penalties or allow Diggs to toe tap the sidelines ) still struggles with the run , has always held on to players for too long who are injured and keeps going to the same well rather than tapping new talent resources. We have spent so much capital on the defense with essentially no large change in results. At the same time , despite having a once in a lifetime Qb , we go with this everybody eats strategy ( not seen or mimicked by any other franchises that I can see ) while getting it thrown back in our faces as an aging premier receiver demonstrated the flaws in that strategy. This comes down to BEANES roster building strategy. It’s been horrible in my opinion. Never giving Josh enough talent to throw too will be the legend of this era. I agree with you ; the only hope to actually get a championship will come with getting more talent , especially a premier type talent to throw too and help carry the load. Josh holding onto the ball for so long and forcing a throw into double coverage is proof there is no consistently good wr to throw too. Worthy returned to Kcs lineup and the speed has helped KC look like they are yet again in the mix. The problem for the bills tho is even if they trade for talent , like we’ve seen in the past , it takes forever for our coordinators to integrate a new player into the lineup. I know you’re right about needing wr talent , but I just think it’s probably too late to make a difference THIS year. Beane is responsible for this noticeable lack of talent. He and Mcd refuse to go outside of reaching back to their old Carolina past. He has kept the oft injured players to depend on as starters. He let the Bass issue linger until it forced his hand and while that worked out, the wr and db lack of talent has not done well. Beane and Mcd have proven in over 8 years they can’t field a quality defensive product. It’s the cause of the infamous 13 seconds and other debacles. They actually felt after Hairston got hurt badly they could depend on white as a starter ( and don’t look now but our nickel db has looked sluggish and maybe facing decline as well ). This is just a pattern now of poor roster creation by Beane and at this late date I think we will be the same team as in the past. We will beat most teams , but won’t be good enough to get the coveted 1 seed they need for the playoffs. The talent we do have can never stay healthy enough to all be on the field concurrently. I can’t keep believing in Beane. All these issues are similar to things that have happened before. It’s Deja vu. I will hope something changes as we get suspended guys back etc, but this teams season seems limited to me by the same old issues. Why this regime fails to try to surround Josh with more talent at the wr position is just baffling; we need a true wr playmaker. How many times do we have to watch this offense go into lapses , with no way to adjust on the fly as it’s limited by a lack of star power in the wr corp? We don’t have that now and haven’t with this regime who continues to pour everything into the d with the same disappointments recurring. Totally agree with your thoughts and analysis. -
Such memories. Dean Martin was from Steubenville, Ohio, which was the largest city close to my rural home of raylland Ohio. So I just said Steubenville when asked where I was from. Jimmy the Greek was also from Steubenville. Steel and coal mining supported the area. So Steubenville had one last claim to fame, it was once honored as the dirtiest, most polluted city in the USA! I also had the honor of being born in the hillbilly city of wheeling wva, about 30 min from Pittsburgh pa;;thus known as the tri state area of Wheeling, Pittsburgh and Steubenville. Most of my friends were steeler or browns fans. My dad tho was a fan of Namath, and so one Sunday a jets game was on , they happened to be playing the Bills and my dad and I were into all sports and we always had fun playing basketball, baseball etc together. So that day I saw the cool Buffalo on the helmets and for the first time I chose the Bills to cheer for over my dad’s jets w Namath , and have been a Bills fan only since the early 60’s. I remember watching the dean martin roasts on tv back in those days. They were hilarious with don rickles, Sammy Davis jr , foster brooks w his famous drunk act! I’m 68 now, still a devout Bills fan , and I converted my dad to a bills fan before he passed in 2001, and took he and my mom with me to Atlanta for SB 28 to unfortunately see the last Bills SB appearance till now as they lost to Dallas that day despite leading at halftime ( still vividly remember thurm fumbling after half and that flipped the game. You could sense the Bills thinking , oh no here we go again. Ran into biscuit at the ATL airport that night after the game as we were at the same airline terminal. I was behind him and he was irate as he was being told he might be bumped from his flight to Hawaii as he was telling them he was going to the pro bowl and couldn’t miss this flight. I had bills gear on but I was too afraid to say anything as he was telling the airline people , don’t you know who I am, I just lost the damn Super Bowl and now you’re f ing with my flight! I just stayed quiet despite wanting to meet him and thank him for those great years. Unbelievable but absolutely true story) THANKS for posting this , I’ve seen it before but it still gives me chills and is a huge reminder of my past as a child and what now seems as a whole different era or other world where sports and family were so vital to having a happy life. Orson was such a great actor and voice in those times. Go Bills !
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ROI on COOK has certainly been more valuable so far. He is what he is by now. Fits Beanes great talent evaluator ability regarding the dl position. At least he’s better than boogie I guess or Von for example. Great guy , but as others suggested , maybe calling him moot or root might be more appropriate Maybe he will show up on the all 22 , so the experts can explain how you lack understanding ( sarcasm) of his stardom. 😂
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9/7/25 GAMEDAY Thread Home Opener Bills vs Ravens SNF
DrPJax replied to Chandler#81's topic in The Stadium Wall
Yes, yes, and you nailed it.
