IDBillzFan Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Seriously? I'd have much less of a problem with them if their leadership was not doing exactly that. Religious people are no more moral than non-religious people. Suggesting that all religious people rape kids is like saying all politicians screw their interns. But if it makes you feel better to easily stand in judgement of an entire group based on the sins of a small portion of that group, there is little anyone can do to hold a normal conversation with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Suggesting that all religious people rape kids is like saying all politicians screw their interns. But if it makes you feel better to easily stand in judgement of an entire group based on the sins of a small portion of that group, there is little anyone can do to hold a normal conversation with you. I agree not all religious people are bad, duh... we are gettting off track . the question at hand is , are religion claims unjustified belief and are we paying a terrible price for this unjustified claim? ie jew promised land from god homosexuality is a sin life starts at conception competing religious identities ie sunni vs shiite'e rejecting evolution people rising from the dead going to hell if u dont call god the right name. women being abused in the muslim world animals being sacrificed in the muslim world blocking stem cell research god was mad at the immoral behavior in new orleans so he let katrina happen... the inquisition ................... are these claims unjustified in the 21st century? is religion eroding our common sense here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 this isnt about left vs right or even about denying a higher power... this is about dogmatism are these claims dogmatic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 and are they coming from within religious doctrines...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 if i said something like kentucky is on the west coast- nobody would respect that belief, that would either think im joking or im nuts so why does religion get a free pass when they cant support their claims with evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Suggesting that all religious people rape kids is like saying all politicians screw their interns. But if it makes you feel better to easily stand in judgement of an entire group based on the sins of a small portion of that group, there is little anyone can do to hold a normal conversation with you. My contention is that religion is basically worthless and the sins I'm talking about are the sins of the leaders of the group, both in action and in cover-up/denial. In this case, I would imagine that there are a higher percentage of priests who are pedophiles than "lay" pedophiles in the general population. I would also imagine this has more to do with the type of people who are attracted to the priesthood, but that's beside the point. If religious people are no more moral than the rest of us and there is no rational basis for believing in any religion, then what's the point of religion? Why believe some made-up, unprovable story when it doesn't buy you anything but self-delusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Frenkle Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Ya know...just the other day, I was at Mass and looking through the Church bulletin at the list of ministries.....I saw a Marriage Ministry, Community Outreach Ministry, Music Ministry, but couldnt find the Kill the Gays and Sell Your Daughters Ministry. I beleive they dont list that one, but I hear they meet in the Rectory basement on the third Tuesday of every month and the meetings are a real hoot. You should read the Bible. You can find a copy in just about any hotel room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 why does religion get a free pass, why is it taboo to be critical of religion?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 If religious people are no more moral than the rest of us and there is no rational basis for believing in any religion, then what's the point of religion? Why believe some made-up, unprovable story when it doesn't buy you anything but self-delusion? I think there are many, many reasons why people identify with a specific religion, but self-delusion is certainly not one of them. As evidenced by this thread, self-delusion transcends theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 I think there are many, many reasons why people identify with a specific religion, but self-delusion is certainly not one of them. As evidenced by this thread, self-delusion transcends theology. nobody is denying that their are other dogmas.... why does religion (another dogma) get a free pass? these are claims that on there face are rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 My contention is that religion is basically worthless and the sins I'm talking about are the sins of the leaders of the group, both in action and in cover-up/denial. In this case, I would imagine that there are a higher percentage of priests who are pedophiles than "lay" pedophiles in the general population. I would also imagine this has more to do with the type of people who are attracted to the priesthood, but that's beside the point. If religious people are no more moral than the rest of us and there is no rational basis for believing in any religion, then what's the point of religion? Why believe some made-up, unprovable story when it doesn't buy you anything but self-delusion? So because certain individuals that are part of a much larger group do bad things, that means the entire group is bad? LA's right, theres no point in continuing this conversation with you. Perhaps oyu shodl take a time out when you can understand the difference between having faith/being religious and the institution of organized religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 why does religion (another dogma) get a free pass? Who said it does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 because people here are saying we should respect peoples beliefs... i disagree we should only respect their reasons, if they are good, not mere delusion... religion is a delusion that people keep believing because we fail to be critical of their dogma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 because people here are saying we should respect peoples beliefs... i disagree we should only respect their reasons, not mere delusion Why should you receive any respect from people who disagree with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 well first off im not making any claims on reality, religious people are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Unfortunately there are nuts and extremists in all the major religions that take things too far. That doesn't mean the tenants of religion are illegitimate, just the crazies. I am not advocating one over another, just that this discussion is for lack of a better word, off base and brings credence to the crazies. The question is this- is religion a good thing that can be bad, or a bad thing that can be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELLAPELLE JOHN Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 OK, give us "REASONS" why having faith is a delusion. Be verrrry careful how you answer. because there is no evidence for these specific religious claims i gave u earlier... its unjustified, and therefore delusional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 well first off im not making any claims on reality, religious people are... No, you are calling all people that believe in God or a Higher Power complete idiots, and at the same time wondering why there is push back. Well, maybe you need to rethink what respecting the beliefs of others is all about. Sometimes you just need to realize that the idea of "think like me or you're a dumbass" might not win you too many friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Drane Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Why do I suddenly feel like watching "Cruising" with Al Pacino and Paul Sorvino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 because there is no evidence for these specific religious claims i gave u earlier... its unjustified, and therefore delusional Unjustified does not equate to delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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