Beerball Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Link Perspective from someone who's been covering the team for 37 yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hossage Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I bet thats how most of us see em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Ralph made the ultimate call. But it came from the players as well. Dick didn't have the balls to do it himself, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Link Perspective from someone who's been covering the team for 37 yrs. I think almost everyone who's followed the team for as long would agree with Pollock that this was clearly a Ralph move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I think almost everyone who's followed the team for as long would agree with Pollock that this was clearly a Ralph move. That doesn't necessarily explain Schonert's comments about his philosophical differences with DJ, or the fact that they had been clashing all offseason, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 That doesn't necessarily explain Schonert's comments about his philosophical differences with DJ, or the fact that they had been clashing all offseason, though. Exactly. Or the meeting Evans had with the coaches. Or the shots Edwards and Evans have been taking at Schonert the past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 That doesn't necessarily explain Schonert's comments about his philosophical differences with DJ, or the fact that they had been clashing all offseason, though. And yet there are no changes until 10 days before the opener? What do you suppose finally made Jauron move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereIsNoDog Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 And yet there are no changes until 10 days before the opener? What do you suppose finally made Jauron move? Ralph made Jauron move. And what made Ralph move was the Chefs and Bucs doing it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 And yet there are no changes until 10 days before the opener? What do you suppose finally made Jauron move? The realization that they were stinkin' up the joint combined with the CERTAINTY he would lose his job if he went into the season with TS as his OC, instead of the LIKELIHOOD he would lose his job if he made the change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 The realization that they were stinkin' up the joint combined with the CERTAINTY he would lose his job if he went into the season with TS as his OC, instead of the LIKELIHOOD he would lose his job if he made the change. So he made the decision after a game in which most starters played very little if at all? Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Ah, good, they did put it online. (FWIW, he actually wrote that Friday night for Saturday's edition.) Interesting note toward the end, that this is the first in-season assistant-coaching casualty he can remember during his time covering the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Ralph asked for Schonert's head at the end of last season. Jauron refused, and it didn't happen. Jauron echoed the whole continuity thing, something Ralph was onboard with since he kept Jauron himself for continuity's sake, and so they went. Now, we're supposed to believe that Jauron is lying that Ralph did not say, "it's your call," because legally speaking since Jauron wasn't fired, it was his call. Based on what evidence? That Jauron and Schonert had severe philosophical differences? That Jauron didn't like the progress the offense was making all off-season? And if the emergency executive meeting in Detroit is true, then why would the guy that pulled all the strings on everyone involved need to call such a meeting and want it conducted where he could look people in the eye? Mr. Wilson may be a lot of things, but this little conspiracy has holes like a sieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 So he made the decision after a game in which most starters played very little if at all? Odd. In his painful explanation of his thought process, he didn't say anything about not thinking about it on Thursday, now did he. Seriously, though, who knows what went down between them prior to the whole thing. Like Sisyphean, I think the powwow at Ralph's is a bit odd if he pulled the trigger. It's not outside the realm of possibility, but I think it is just as likely that it was a last ditch, desperate attempt for DJ to save his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak tree 12 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 That doesn't necessarily explain Schonert's comments about his philosophical differences with DJ, or the fact that they had been clashing all offseason, though. exactly,your a very smart guy. why the hell would turk throw DJ under the bus if the move came from the top. personally i dont car how long this guy has covered the bills i've been a fan for 51 years. this was dicks call and turks comments afterwards only prove that! do you really think he would blame DJ if wilson fired him ? that makes no sense @ all and i'm not buying it. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak tree 12 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 And yet there are no changes until 10 days before the opener? What do you suppose finally made Jauron move? it makes no freaking difference if it was 3 days before the season started. it was the play calling that was unsatisfactory. we are not changing the offense. what will change is how we attack defenses with the same offense and it will come from different play calling. people are making a big thing out of nothing. get it thru your heads we are not changing the offense only the way we run it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 What everyone is screaming about is that a coordinator was fired 10 days before the season starts. Not that said coordinator didn't deserve to get axed. Pollock even admits that when Ralph told Wade to get rid of his buddy Ronnie Jones the Bills special teams were the jokeof the NFL. So I ask you was Ralph wrong for swing the axe on Turk? We all know Limp Dick Jauron is so conservative he won't even change which leg he sticks in first in his trousers when he dresses in the morning. We could have gone all season without scoring a TD and Jauron would just tell us how hard everyone works in practice. I for one have no problem with Ralph making this change. To me going into the season with Turk or throwing AVP in now is the same thing. It was going to be bad either way. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 it makes no freaking difference if it was 3 days before the season started. it was the play calling that was unsatisfactory. we are not changing the offense. what will change is how we attack defenses with the same offense and it will come from different play calling. people are making a big thing out of nothing. get it thru your heads we are not changing the offense only the way we run it! the change i mentioned was in OCs you ninny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 The question I have is Brandon's role in all of this - did he support the move? Did he know? Did he want to have Jauron fired last year? Why wasn't he at the press conference? Why was he in Detroit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 What everyone is screaming about is that a coordinator was fired 10 days before the season starts. Not that said coordinator didn't deserve to get axed. Pollock even admits that when Ralph told Wade to get rid of his buddy Ronnie Jones the Bills special teams were the jokeof the NFL. So I ask you was Ralph wrong for swing the axe on Turk? We all know Limp Dick Jauron is so conservative he won't even change which leg he sticks in first in his trousers when he dresses in the morning. We could have gone all season without scoring a TD and Jauron would just tell us how hard everyone works in practice. I for one have no problem with Ralph making this change. To me going into the season with Turk or throwing AVP in now is the same thing. It was going to be bad either way. PTR What CP neglected to mention is that Phillips did't demand that Ronnie Jones remain special teams coach. Indeed, his plan was to make him LB coach the next year. Brown was the DC for a Cardinals team under Buddy Ryan that finished third overall on defense in the mid-90s, so I suspect he wasn't completely incompetent when it came to coaching what he knew (defense as opposed to special teams). That story - which is the truth - typically gets left out when discussing the Wade/Ronnie Jones problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 What CP neglected to mention is that Phillips did't demand that Ronnie Jones remain special teams coach. Indeed, his plan was to make him LB coach the next year. Brown was the DC for a Cardinals team under Buddy Ryan that finished third overall on defense in the mid-90s, so I suspect he wasn't completely incompetent when it came to coaching what he knew (defense as opposed to special teams). That story - which is the truth - typically gets left out when discussing the Wade/Ronnie Jones problem. Probably didn't think it was necessary to mention it, because to Ralph, Wade's suggestion was a non-starter -- he wanted Jones GONE. Reportedly, Phillips did refuse the ultimatum, and we know the results. Interestingly, while most of the people I've heard from since this went down agree with Chuck, not everyone does ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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