Steely Dan Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Linky SPORTING NEWS’ TOP 50 COACHES 1. John Wooden, college basketball 2. Vince Lombardi, NFL 3. Bear Bryant, college football 4. Phil Jackson, NBA 5. Don Shula, NFL 6. Red Auerbach, NBA 7. Scotty Bowman, NHL 8. Dean Smith, college basketball 9. Casey Stengel, MLB 10. Knute Rockne, college football 11. Pat Summitt, women’s college basketball 12. Paul Brown, NFL 13. Joe Paterno, college football 14. George Halas, NFL 15. Chuck Noll, NFL 16. Bob Knight, college basketball 17. Joe Gibbs, NFL 18. Tom Landry, NFL 19. Mike Krzyzewski, college basketball 20. Bill Belichick, NFL 21. Adolph Rupp, college basketball 22. Joe McCarthy, MLB 23. Eddie Robinson, college football 24. Bobby Bowden, college football 25. John McGraw, MLB 26. Bill Walsh, NFL 27. Woody Hayes, college football 28. Connie Mack, MLB 29. Bud Wilkinson, college football 30. Pat Riley, NBA 31. Pete Newell, college basketball 32. Joe Torre, MLB 33. Bill Parcells, NFL 34. Tom Osborne, college football 35. Walter Alston, MLB 36. Bo Schembechler, college football 37. Toe Blake, NHL 38. Sparky Anderson, MLB 39. Al Arbour, NHL 40. Amos Alonzo Stagg, college football 41. Tony La Russa, MLB 42. Geno Auriemma, women’s college basketball 43. Dick Irvin, NHL 44. Ara Parseghian, college football 45. Chuck Daly, NBA 46. Bobby Cox, MLB 47. Hank Iba, college basketball 48. Tommy Lasorda, MLB 49. Gregg Popovich, NBA 50. Herb Brooks, NHL IMO, Phil Jackson should be #1. Chuck Noll should be higher than 15th. Lombardi should be lower than #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Shula is way too high (and that isn't just Bills bias). Who lost SB III? Who couldn't win with Marino as QB? Who was more innovative in terms of changing the game Shula? Walsh? Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Paul Brown should be the first football coach mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I would move Dean Smith and Joe Paterno closer to the top...but that's just me. If Bill Walsh saw that he was rated at #26, I think he would freak out. There was no bigger fan of Bill Walsh than Bill Walsh. Tony La Russa and Tommy Lasorda in the top 50? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBillsRollTide Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I would move Dean Smith and Joe Paterno closer to the top...but that's just me. If Bill Walsh saw that he was rated at #26, I think he would freak out. There was no bigger fan of Bill Walsh than Bill Walsh. Tony La Russa and Tommy Lasorda in the top 50? Seriously? As an alabama alum the "bear" is right where he should be on that list. Maybe him and vince should be 2A and 2B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewHampshireBillsFan Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Shula in the 60's and 70's was an innovative coach, although he benefited from favorable officiating like no other coach in NFL history, even Belicheat*. Being the only coach on the rules committee all those years was very intimidating to the officials. Shula was an average coach in the early 80's and a lousy coach in the late 80's and beyond. Marv Levy routinely out coached Shula during Levy's era in Buffalo and had a nice plus record against Shula. Shula is WAY too high at number 5. Walsh was much more of a shrewd coach and several others were as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I'm am flabbergasted that there is no mention of... Mike Leach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Chuck Knoll is a glaring omission from that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyemike Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Chuck Noll is there at #15. Too low, IMO. Woody Hayes is #27...about right. Dean Smith is too high and Ara Parseghian is too low. Other than that, good list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 What, no Steve Owen? He definitely belongs ahead of several of those coaches. Paul Brown is listed way too low and Shula is listed way to high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I would move Dean Smith and Joe Paterno closer to the top...but that's just me. If Bill Walsh saw that he was rated at #26, I think he would freak out. There was no bigger fan of Bill Walsh than Bill Walsh. Tony La Russa and Tommy Lasorda in the top 50? Seriously? How can you argue against Tony La Russa? He is one of two managers to win a World Series in both leagues and he is third all time in victories in MLB history, 1st among active managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCal Aaron Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Omits the father of film study and modern passing schemes - Sid Gilman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 Shula in the 60's and 70's was an innovative coach, although he benefited from favorable officiating like no other coach in NFL history, even Belicheat*. Being the only coach on the rules committee all those years was very intimidating to the officials. Shula was an average coach in the early 80's and a lousy coach in the late 80's and beyond. Marv Levy routinely out coached Shula during Levy's era in Buffalo and had a nice plus record against Shula. Shula is WAY too high at number 5. Walsh was much more of a shrewd coach and several others were as well. Landry came up with the flex-defense, Walsh the West Coast offense. I can't remember anything being attributed to Shula. BTW, sort of on topic. Do the players make the coach or does the coach make the players? I would say a little of both but I'd give the coaches 75% of that. A guy can have all the talent in the world and if he isn't used right it will hold him back. The best example I can think of off the top of my noggin is Priest Holmes. Also, a great coach can bring out the talent in a player and teach him to maximize that talent. I'd use Jason Peters as an example of that as well as Priest Holmes. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Landry came up with the flex-defense, Walsh the West Coast offense. I can't remember anything being attributed to Shula. Hmmm.....one guy modeled his coaching career after Paul Brown (Landry), one played for him (Shula), and the other coached under and was greatly influenced by him (Walsh). Maybe that Brown guy was pretty good after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Omits the father of film study and modern passing schemes - Sid Gilman. Brown was using film study before Gillman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Bud Wilkinson 29th?? Should be way higher, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Cold Bruschi Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Gibbs is too high, Belichick too low, Walsh too low, Landry too low, Shula too high, Hayes too low, there shouldn't be any baseball coaches in the top 20-30, also I think Dick Vermiel should be somewhere on the list, somewhere low on the list but on it to be sure, the guy won big in college and the pros both with programs that had previously little or no success ie. ucla bruins, the eagles, the rams, and to a much lesser extent the chiefs. Just checked wiki and interestingly enough he has the distinction of being named coach of the year at every level of coaching, highschool, junior college, ncaa d1, and the pros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Shula is way too high (and that isn't just Bills bias). Who lost SB III? Who couldn't win with Marino as QB? Who was more innovative in terms of changing the game Shula? Walsh? Brown? Careful now! Coaches have lost SBs with better teams than Marino's. Walsh should be ahead of Shula (who shouldn't be in the top 15) and Joe Gibbs. Coach K should be ahead of Knight---and Pat Summit?? That's an absolute joke! Knute Rockne in the top 10? "Clueless Joe" Torre ahead of Parcells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCal Aaron Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Brown was using film study before Gillman. An interesting link: http://www.magazine.uc.edu/0101/Gillman.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 An interesting link:http://www.magazine.uc.edu/0101/Gillman.htm It is an interesting link. It still does not change my post, however. Brown was using film study before Gillman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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