GOBILLS78 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 After the head-kicking incident in California, this video comes to light -- an entire year after the fact. Unreal stuff. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 After the head-kicking incident in California, this video comes to light -- an entire year after the fact. Unreal stuff. Link I saw that on TV today. WTF?! The guy is unconscious!! What the hell were they thinking? I don't condone it but I can understand beating the crap out of a struggling perp who's committed an heinous act but this I don't get at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I think the mayor made a very good point: They didn't beat him until they actually caught him...so there's that. :wallbash: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I think the mayor made a very good point: They didn't beat him until they actually caught him...so there's that. :wallbash: Yup, they did well until the guy who almost looked dead already comes flipping out of the van and they decide what the heck, lets just kill him. I'm sure it had allot to do with the driver of the van trying to take out Police (as in kill) who are just trying to do their jobs. In the heat of battle and you just seen one of your buddies almost run over by some lunatic who probably doesn't care about human life to begin with, what are you going to do? I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Yup, they did well until the guy who almost looked dead already comes flipping out of the van and they decide what the heck, lets just kill him. I'm sure it had allot to do with the driver of the van trying to take out Police (as in kill) who are just trying to do their jobs. In the heat of battle and you just seen one of your buddies almost run over by some lunatic who probably doesn't care about human life to begin with, what are you going to do? I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying Judging what professionals do by using standards for the untrained/amateurs really doesn't say too much, to me. We give these guys guns and authority, and should expect far better because of it. Of course, most police officers do a fine job, these guys are exceptions. What REALLY disgraces the uniform is when the good cops line up to protect the bad cops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Judging what professionals do by using standards for the untrained/amateurs really doesn't say too much, to me. We give these guys guns and authority, and should expect far better because of it. Of course, most police officers do a fine job, these guys are exceptions. What REALLY disgraces the uniform is when the good cops line up to protect the bad cops. You think Cops aren't human? I didn't say it was right, I'm saying I can see how it could happen, especially in states like Alabama where the looney's run wild. So just as an example, you are chasing a child molester/killer, you have been chasing him for almost an hour, the guy is now going out of his way to try to kill fellow police officers whom you know personally, you know their wives, you know their kids. The adrenaline's pumping , OMG, he just tried to run over Steve, a good friend of yours, his daughters getting married next month. All of the sudden the perps Van flips in front of you the guys out and on the ground, and you expect everything to stop like flipping off a switch? Well, good for you Dean, but you want to run from the law and try to kill folks while your doing it, don't expect the pack of hounds chasing you down to treat you nicely when they catch you, its just not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 You think Cops aren't human? I didn't say it was right, I'm saying I can see how it could happen, especially in states like Alabama where the looney's run wild. So just as an example, you are chasing a child molester/killer, you have been chasing him for almost an hour, the guy is now going out of his way to try to kill fellow police officers whom you know personally, you know there wives, you know there kids. The adrenaline's pumping , OMG, he just tried to run over Steve, a good friend of yours, his daughters getting married next month. All of the sudden the perps Van flips in front of you the guys out and on the ground, and you expect everything to stop like flipping off a switch? Well, good for you Dean, but you want to run from the law and try to kill folks while your doing it, don't expect the pack of hounds chasing you down to treat you nicely when they catch you, its just not happening. I know they are human and humans can be trained to keep their emotions in check. Can they make mistakes? Of course, and they do. Nothing I said suggests otherwise. You are fighting a battle against something you made up, not something I said or believe. I suppose, if I wanted to follow your lead, I would accuse you of wanting to give them medals. Try to fight your urge to be Skooby, and stay on track, here. Because officers are entrusted to carry arms, and have the authority to arrest and use force, they have to be held to stricter standards than the average person. And when they transgress, their punishment should reflect that breech of trust. These guys screwed up BAD. Do I understand why they might do what they did? Of course. I also understand why some guys kill their wives. It's still wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 I know they are human and humans can be trained to keep their emotions in check. Can they make mistakes? Of course, and they do. Nothing I said suggests otherwise. You are fighting a battle against something you made up, not something I said or believe. I suppose, if I wanted to follow your lead, I would accuse you of wanting to give them medals. Try to fight your urge to be Skooby, and stay on track, here. Because officers are entrusted to carry arms, and have the authority to arrest and use force, they have to be held to stricter standards than the average person. And when they transgress, their punishment should reflect that breech of trust. These guys screwed up BAD. Do I understand why they might do what they did? Of course. I also understand why some guys kill their wives. It's still wrong. Dean, to me are one of the more intelligent posters on this board, if you see why these men may have done what the did depending on the circumstances, is it not to say almost, these men may have only acted human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Dean, to me are one of the more intelligent posters on this board, if you see why these men may have done what the did depending on the circumstances, is it not to say almost, these men may have only acted human. Sure, if you think savagely beating a guy who can't move "acting humanly". :wallbash: :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Sure, if you think savagely beating a guy who can't move "acting humanly". :lol: :beer: I just explained a scenario, but you seem to interested in being a smart ass to acknowledge it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 You think Cops aren't human? I didn't say it was right, I'm saying I can see how it could happen, especially in states like Alabama where the looney's run wild. So just as an example, you are chasing a child molester/killer, you have been chasing him for almost an hour, the guy is now going out of his way to try to kill fellow police officers whom you know personally, you know their wives, you know their kids. The adrenaline's pumping , OMG, he just tried to run over Steve, a good friend of yours, his daughters getting married next month. All of the sudden the perps Van flips in front of you the guys out and on the ground, and you expect everything to stop like flipping off a switch? Well, good for you Dean, but you want to run from the law and try to kill folks while your doing it, don't expect the pack of hounds chasing you down to treat you nicely when they catch you, its just not happening. Well dog.....thats the job. And if they cant "flip that switch" then they have no business being law enforcement officers. I mean.....I dont think they should run over there administering first aid to the guy who flipped out of the van after watching him nearly run over an officer.......but WTF WERE THEY THINKING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Well dog.....thats the job. And if they cant "flip that switch" then they have no business being law enforcement officers. I mean.....I dont think they should run over there administering first aid to the guy who flipped out of the van after watching him nearly run over an officer.......but WTF WERE THEY THINKING We have the benefit of watching it on film, we have no idea what each law enforcement officer running up seen or knew at the time. This happened in the heat of battle within minutes at the climax of what could have been a deadly car chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 dog Frankly you are scaring me with your comments.... There is NO EXCUSE for what those officers did......none...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 You think Cops aren't human? I didn't say it was right, I'm saying I can see how it could happen, especially in states like Alabama where the looney's run wild. So just as an example, you are chasing a child molester/killer, you have been chasing him for almost an hour, the guy is now going out of his way to try to kill fellow police officers whom you know personally, you know their wives, you know their kids. The adrenaline's pumping , OMG, he just tried to run over Steve, a good friend of yours, his daughters getting married next month. All of the sudden the perps Van flips in front of you the guys out and on the ground, and you expect everything to stop like flipping off a switch? Well, good for you Dean, but you want to run from the law and try to kill folks while your doing it, don't expect the pack of hounds chasing you down to treat you nicely when they catch you, its just not happening. They get paid to enforce the law, not act like everybody else. If the guy has a good lawyer, there will defintely be a civil suit against the town and police department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 They get paid to enforce the law, not act like everybody else. If the guy has a good lawyer, there will defintely be a civil suit against the town and police department. Of course, "everyone else" would be arrested, go to jail and be sued by the victim if they did something like this. That the people doing this were police should only make the punishment more severe, IMO. Understanding why people react violently is one thing. Letting it go, because you understand the motive is quite another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 dog Frankly you are scaring me with your comments.... There is NO EXCUSE for what those officers did......none...... Our society could send someone to the electric chair for some of the horrible crimes they commit and you honestly think its beyond the realm of possibilities for cops to take something personal a criminal does and in the heat of the moment go to far? The same way you think the guy your defending (Who was probably a murder) has a good case against the the cops. Depending on the circumstances, I think the Cops with a good lawyer can get their jobs back. I know someone who lives in the area where this happened, I'm going to watch the case and see what develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Our society could send someone to the electric chair for some of the horrible crimes they commit and you honestly think its beyond the realm of possibilities for cops to take something personal a criminal does and in the heat of the moment go to far? The same way you think the guy your defending (Who was probably a murder) has a good case against the the cops. Depending on the circumstances, I think the Cops with a good lawyer can get their jobs back. I know someone who lives in the area where this happened, I'm going to watch the case and see what develops. Wow, you really are Skooby. Do you really want boot-stomping cops on the street? Understanding why someone might over-react and break the law is far different than forgetting about it, and endorsing it as a legitimate tactic. These guys broke the law, instead of enforcing it. If they were a gang, they would be prosecuted and likely end up in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Of course, "everyone else" would be arrested, go to jail and be sued by the victim if they did something like this. That the people doing this were police should only make the punishment more severe, IMO. Understanding why people react violently is one thing. Letting it go, because you understand the motive is quite another. They made a mistake and got caught. Now they will suffer great loss. They will lose their jobs, pensions, and the opportunity to send their kids to college to reach further heights than they themselves were able to. Cops plan their lives around their pensions. They have to because the pay is low and the risk is great. By the way, the Mayor and the Chief seemed to be fairly reasonable men. I sense that they are not happy about having to hurt these cops for hitting a guy a few times who tried to kill them, and risked the lives of many women and children. I don't know how sorry you feel for this "victim." Lets just say that in terms of worrying about his welfare, I will be OK. To all cops out there: Do your 20 years and get the !@#$ out!!!!! Start planning your next gig and prepare for it. Concentrate on your safety, the safety of fellow officers, and your families. Put everything else behind this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 They made a mistake and got caught. Now they will suffer great loss. Which is as it should be. Which is how it would be for me, if I were caught doing this. I'm sure the mayor and chief aren't happy they had to fire five police officers, if I live there I wouldn't be happy, either. I don't consider this a smear on police officers as a whole, as I know there are bad apples in every bunch. But not firing or punishing this kind of behavior would be a giant smear on the Birmingham police force, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Our society could send someone to the electric chair for some of the horrible crimes they commit and you honestly think its beyond the realm of possibilities for cops to take something personal a criminal does and in the heat of the moment go to far? The same way you think the guy your defending (Who was probably a murder) has a good case against the the cops. Depending on the circumstances, I think the Cops with a good lawyer can get their jobs back. I know someone who lives in the area where this happened, I'm going to watch the case and see what develops. The guy Im defending? Where in anything I said does it say that I am defending the @sshole that almost ran over the cop? Where? It isn't about him....it is about the actions of the cops that carry guns and are sworn to protect us. Are you kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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