offde-fence Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 As I look at our team, and am excited for this season, and occassionally see you tube videos of our 90's glory years, I'm liking the looks of and potential of our team, except the front seven seems suspect. If we're (the F.O. especially) trying to put it all together this year, then I'd say they did a pretty nice job - except the front seven looks weaker than I'd like. The O-line looks promising, it might take a while - I hope not - but they're a bunch of guys that seem like can become a nasty, rugged, overpowering bunch. The D-line and backers don't give me that feel. I know we've got Stroud, a supposedly healthy Schoebel, Maybin now, and Mitchell and Poz, but even if the other two spots work out, it as a whole doesn't look good enough to make me think we can be a dominant Defense. I hope I'm wrong and that our F.O. and coaching knows more than I do, but wouldn't you rather see a group like the Giants have, who seem to know there is little more valuable than a terrific and incessant rush, always penetrating, causing havoc in the backfield? If we can't do that, I don't think we'll be able to reach a vaulted status as one of the best. So, am I missing something, or did we not go after enough of those types of players this year? - (Everette Brown) comes to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ax4782 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 As I look at our team, and am excited for this season, and occassionally see you tube videos of our 90's glory years, I'm liking the looks of and potential of our team, except the front seven seems suspect. If we're (the F.O. especially) trying to put it all together this year, then I'd say they did a pretty nice job - except the front seven looks weaker than I'd like. The O-line looks promising, it might take a while - I hope not - but they're a bunch of guys that seem like can become a nasty, rugged, overpowering bunch. The D-line and backers don't give me that feel. I know we've got Stroud, a supposedly healthy Schoebel, Maybin now, and Mitchell and Poz, but even if the other two spots work out, it as a whole doesn't look good enough to make me think we can be a dominant Defense. I hope I'm wrong and that our F.O. and coaching knows more than I do, but wouldn't you rather see a group like the Giants have, who seem to know there is little more valuable than a terrific and incessant rush, always penetrating, causing havoc in the backfield? If we can't do that, I don't think we'll be able to reach a vaulted status as one of the best. So, am I missing something, or did we not go after enough of those types of players this year? - (Everette Brown) comes to mind Everette Brown was another Maybin type. Not big and overpowering. However, their specialty is what we lack, pass rushing. Last year were were the 14th ranked D in the league. We've improved since then. I think if we play the way we did last year, with this defense, we could easily be a top ten or fifteen D again. Let's see what the rest of the offseason brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 The Bills weren't very high on Everette Brown, so that's why we didn't pick him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOBILLS78 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Never thought I'd say this, but I actually feel better about the line than I do the linebackers. Mitchell is an average-at-best tackler in space and even more of a liability in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PearlHowardman Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 As I look at our team, and am excited for this season, and occassionally see you tube videos of our 90's glory years, I'm liking the looks of and potential of our team, except the front seven seems suspect. If we're (the F.O. especially) trying to put it all together this year, then I'd say they did a pretty nice job - except the front seven looks weaker than I'd like. The O-line looks promising, it might take a while - I hope not - but they're a bunch of guys that seem like can become a nasty, rugged, overpowering bunch. The D-line and backers don't give me that feel. I know we've got Stroud, a supposedly healthy Schoebel, Maybin now, and Mitchell and Poz, but even if the other two spots work out, it as a whole doesn't look good enough to make me think we can be a dominant Defense. I hope I'm wrong and that our F.O. and coaching knows more than I do, but wouldn't you rather see a group like the Giants have, who seem to know there is little more valuable than a terrific and incessant rush, always penetrating, causing havoc in the backfield? If we can't do that, I don't think we'll be able to reach a vaulted status as one of the best. So, am I missing something, or did we not go after enough of those types of players this year? - (Everette Brown) comes to mind You feel the front seven seem suspect. You also feel that the O-line looks promising but might take a while. So, why are you excited for this season? I agree with much of your post, seriously, but I'm not at all excited going into this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 You feel the front seven seem suspect. You also feel that the O-line looks promising but might take a while. So, why are you excited for this season? I agree with much of your post, seriously, but I'm not at all excited going into this season. I think they need a veteran linebacker, Bowen and Digreggio are coming off major injuries. To rely on rookies or Ellison is pure folly. I have been following this franchise since it's inception. With the exception of The Saban and the Polian eras we have always been 1-2 players short of being a relavant franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 A lot of ifs - if Schobel returns to form, if Maybin can step up in his rookie year, if McCargo can put those flashes together, if POZ can improve- a quality OLB and a run stuffing DT like Henderson are still needs IMO- Stroud can't play every down and the defense suffered without him especially against the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 As I look at our team, and am excited for this season, and occassionally see you tube videos of our 90's glory years, I'm liking the looks of and potential of our team, except the front seven seems suspect. If we're (the F.O. especially) trying to put it all together this year, then I'd say they did a pretty nice job - except the front seven looks weaker than I'd like. The O-line looks promising, it might take a while - I hope not - but they're a bunch of guys that seem like can become a nasty, rugged, overpowering bunch. The D-line and backers don't give me that feel. I know we've got Stroud, a supposedly healthy Schoebel, Maybin now, and Mitchell and Poz, but even if the other two spots work out, it as a whole doesn't look good enough to make me think we can be a dominant Defense. I hope I'm wrong and that our F.O. and coaching knows more than I do, but wouldn't you rather see a group like the Giants have, who seem to know there is little more valuable than a terrific and incessant rush, always penetrating, causing havoc in the backfield? If we can't do that, I don't think we'll be able to reach a vaulted status as one of the best. So, am I missing something, or did we not go after enough of those types of players this year? - (Everette Brown) comes to mind we are still 3 solid front 7 players away from being a contending team.which is better than we were last year. Maybe someone will come out of left field and surprise us. McCargo?? who knows. 1-2 yrs away if we make the right moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 If we add Pisa I see our front seven as an above average near playoff caliber. If we can get McCargo to play up to or near his potential than that bumps up our front seven to playoff caliber but thats unlikely to happen. Another move that would make me even happier with our front seven would be to add another DE to give Schobel a capable back up and give us a better rotation at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 If we add Pisa I see our front seven as an above average near playoff caliber. If we can get McCargo to play up to or near his potential than that bumps up our front seven to playoff caliber but thats unlikely to happen. Another move that would make me even happier with our front seven would be to add another DE to give Schobel a capable back up and give us a better rotation at the position. Until the Bills can stop the run consistently, they do not have a playoff caliber defense - no matter the stats showed last year. they could not stop the run last year and did nothing to improve in the off-season. their LBs are still undersized. their DTs and DEs are still undersized Their DL added an even smaller DE to the mix - who won't see the field much if they don't stop the run on 1st and 2nd downs to force long yardage passing situations. If Stroud goes down for an extended period, it will not be pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeJuiceSimpson Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Our LB's are by far our most overrated group. We need another starting DT. Our DE's will be just as bad as last year. Odds are a an undersized rookie DE will not be huge factor. I think we have one of the worst front 7's in the NFL. Next year's top 3 offseason priorities will be DT, DE, and LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 If Schobel's healthy I like our front 7 if not think we're in seriously trouble again. Say what you want but he's made Pro Bowls and we were 4-1 in games he played last year. Not to mention while yes Maybin might add some excitement think he's going to spend most of his rookie year as a 3rd down player which means we have question marks, at least in my eyes at our DT outside of Marcus Stroud and at Left DE granted Kelsay/Denney might be better with a healthy Schobel. As I'm not sold at all that Kyle Williams should be starting as much rather see him on the bench. Also Spencer Johnson to me did next to nothing last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 our front seven will be effective this year. with our two aarons stepping up and rushing the passer on 3rd and long we will go from good but vulnerable in spots to top 5-10, with many more turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 our front seven will be effective this year. with our two aarons stepping up and rushing the passer on 3rd and long we will go from good but vulnerable in spots to top 5-10, with many more turnovers. how they do they get to 3rd and long when they can't stop the run?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanInUticaTampa Posted May 17, 2009 Share Posted May 17, 2009 i think we could have a really good front 7 if mccargo steps up. Some ppl are saying he will see more action with a new coach. if he turns out to be a nice surprise, and maybin steps up some time this season, our line might rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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