ax4782 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 This may be the craziest thing I've heard come out of free agency this year. Who makes their kicker their franchise player? Wouldn't they have been better off making that offer to someone like Housch? Anyone who thinks we have the worst FO in the league might want to re-evaluate their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 If they really like their kicker and don't want to lose him, it's not a bad deal. Look @ the cap figure for tagging a kicker as opposed to tagging a wideout. That's the reason Bill Polian tagged Dallas Clark while they were looking to negotiate a long term deal w/ him (which they were able to do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 This may be the craziest thing I've heard come out of free agency this year. Who makes their kicker their franchise player? Wouldn't they have been better off making that offer to someone like Housch? Anyone who thinks we have the worst FO in the league might want to re-evaluate their position. Considering our former front office released said kicker go perhaps we were crazier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 This may be the craziest thing I've heard come out of free agency this year. Who makes their kicker their franchise player? Wouldn't they have been better off making that offer to someone like Housch? Anyone who thinks we have the worst FO in the league might want to re-evaluate their position. It's actually a very smart football move. A lot of teams consistantly go into the offseason looking to find a kicker. Cincinnati has one that they like and they are comfortable with. So wouldn't common sense tell you that he'd be worth what the top five are kickers are making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 It's actually a very smart football move. A lot of teams consistantly go into the offseason looking to find a kicker. Cincinnati has one that they like and they are comfortable with. So wouldn't common sense tell you that he'd be worth what the top five are kickers are making? Agreed. I don't see what is dumb about this. I assume they don't have a player at another position who they need/want to franchise. If they franchised a K instead of a player at another position, you might have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 This may be the craziest thing I've heard come out of free agency this year. Who makes their kicker their franchise player? Wouldn't they have been better off making that offer to someone like Housch? Anyone who thinks we have the worst FO in the league might want to re-evaluate their position. He was franchised a while ago...on Feb. 19th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 This may be the craziest thing I've heard come out of free agency this year. Who makes their kicker their franchise player? Wouldn't they have been better off making that offer to someone like Housch? Anyone who thinks we have the worst FO in the league might want to re-evaluate their position. i'm not crazy, you're crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjprime Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Considering our former front office released said kicker go perhaps we were crazier. Exactly. We had Shayne Graham a few years back and we let him go for Mike Hollis. And I agree with the other posters, for what it takes for a franchise K, it's well worth it it for Graham. He's been the most consistent part of the team for years. Not to mention one of the few you never hear about in the news. Go Opie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 i'm not crazy, you're crazy. What do they call this? Whine metal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrader Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Didn't New England franchise Vinitieri a year or two before he left? Their FO sure does suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 This may be the craziest thing I've heard come out of free agency this year. Who makes their kicker their franchise player? Wouldn't they have been better off making that offer to someone like Housch? Anyone who thinks we have the worst FO in the league might want to re-evaluate their position. Your post makes it appear kickers are one of those disposable positions which any team can find on disposal bins. There were a couple of idiots like that on draft show. Of and just to let you know the Patriots* picked a long snapper on draft day instead of a "real" football player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Sanchez Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Your post makes it appear kickers are one of those disposable positions which any team can find on disposal bins. There were a couple of idiots like that on draft show. Of and just to let you know the Patriots* picked a long snapper on draft day instead of a "real" football player. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Mud Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 This may be the craziest thing I've heard come out of free agency this year. Who makes their kicker their franchise player? Wouldn't they have been better off making that offer to someone like Housch? Anyone who thinks we have the worst FO in the league might want to re-evaluate their position. With the injury to Palmer you can say he was the most productive Bengal the last few years, so it makes sense. Who else on that team would YOU franchise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 This may be the craziest thing I've heard come out of free agency this year. Who makes their kicker their franchise player? Wouldn't they have been better off making that offer to someone like Housch? Anyone who thinks we have the worst FO in the league might want to re-evaluate their position. Patriots did it with Vinatieri at one time I believe they obviously were not going to pay Housch so why franchise him and use it on a player they wanted to resign but didnt want to take a chance on losing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Jose Bills Fan Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 I posted this back in February. These guys were kickers who were franchised: Jason Elam and Adam Vinatieri in 2002 Adam Vinatieri in 2005 Josh Brown in 2007 Also, the Lions are considering tagging Jason Hanson. (edit: They later signed him to a 4 year contract eliminating the need to franchise him) As Ramius later pointed out, Michael Koenen, the Falcons punter was also franchised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ax4782 Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 Okay, okay. Maybe it wasn't so dumb afterall. Just saying they seemed to have bigger needs with players they should have kept rather than holding onto their kicker, who we, by the way, thought was so bad we cut him. I can admit when I'm wrong and since no one else seems to think this was a stupid move, maybe it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Okay, okay. Maybe it wasn't so dumb afterall. Just saying they seemed to have bigger needs with players they should have kept rather than holding onto their kicker, who we, by the way, thought was so bad we cut him. I can admit when I'm wrong and since no one else seems to think this was a stupid move, maybe it wasn't. Maybe not stupid but very rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsWatch Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Okay, okay. Maybe it wasn't so dumb afterall. Just saying they seemed to have bigger needs with players they should have kept rather than holding onto their kicker, who we, by the way, thought was so bad we cut him. I can admit when I'm wrong and since no one else seems to think this was a stupid move, maybe it wasn't. He was their biggest need which tag could fix. Kickers have become popular to franchise because of the low franchise number. He had issues when Bills had him as kicker which is why Hollis was kept. Place kickers often float camp to team to camp to team until they get the right combination of seasoning, coaches and snapper. He was in Buffalo for part of a season before losing to Hollis from Jacksonville who had a lot of experience but unknown to Bills was on last leg. Graham needed more seasoning in Carolina before he hung on with Bengals. Mike Hollis is doing ok for himself by the way after 9 years teaching kicking and Moorman credits his development partly to Hollis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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