PushthePile Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Keep McGee get a TE in FA or draft...... PLEASE STOP TRYING TO TRADE AWAY OUR BEST TALENT ON DEFENSE. Before you know it, we will have huge holes at CB cause we traded all of them away. Talent? The bills have two players who shouldn't be on the trading block Leodis and Lynch. Edwards is also debatable. Other than that they should make everyone available if the price is right. I look around the league and most rosters have a handful of studs or playmakers. Maybe I'm being negative but we have alot of average to good players and sorely lack the special ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyFillUps Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Talent? The bills have two players who shouldn't be on the trading block Leodis and Lynch. Edwards is also debatable. Other than that they should make everyone available if the price is right. I look around the league and most rosters have a handful of studs or playmakers. Maybe I'm being negative but we have alot of average to good players and sorely lack the special ones. At this point there isnt a player on the team that I would label exempt from a trade should the right opportunity present itself. RBs a easy to come by We could trade Leodis and still have a shot at Vontae Davis or Jenkins. Trade trent, why not/ he isnt a Ryan,Flacco or Big Ben so why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I understand what you are saying and I am a big believer of keeping talent. But the problem is that Mcgee will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of next year, and you got to believe that he will be commanding a very high price tag that we won't be able to match. So instead of losing him for nothing and just keeping him around for a year, we could get something back in exchange. And since it seems as if we have some quality depth at DB it does seem like a good alternative if we were to retain Greer. The problem sits with the owner of the Buffalo Bills, Ralph Wilson. This game of let him walk cause we dont want to pay for the players services is getting old like our owner. This is not directed at you in general, but the attitude of let him walk cause in another year he will cost too much is killing the Buffalo Bills. Imagine where the defense would be if we kept Pat Williams, Antoine Winfield, London Fletcher, & even Nate Clements for that matter or even Spikes. The Buffalo Bills have had the finances to keep these guys, but no the players knew the organization wouldnt pay them so they left for better opportunities elsewhere. All Ralph Wilson had to do is give them respectable contracts and they would have stayed. But no, the front office instead chooses the "let them go routine cause we cant afford them when we have 27 plus million in FREE cap space". And you say we have decent depth behind McGee, well I agree with that, however, letting McGee go creates less Depth then we have now. Yeah McKelvin & Corner & even Youboty showed some skills, but when it comes down to it, the logical and smart thing to do is keep your best talent, not let them walk cause they will cost money. I mean HELLO....talent costs money, you only win games when you have the talent to do so. Im not trying to be a negative nancy here and nor do I know the in's and out's of football. But I do know, that when you have talent on the team, you dont find ways to get rid of them cause they will cost money, you find ways to keep the talent despite them costing money. This has been the loser mentality of this franchise the past decade and you seen first hand what it got us....10 years of NOT making the playoffs. I get so sick of people thinking of ways to trade our best impact players cause they will cost money. This attitude has to go, but with the current owner of the Bills, Ralph Wilson this is the attitude the fans and the organization will have. But when it boils down to it, you dont find ways to trade away talent cause you are affraid to lose them, you need to find ways to keep that talent that makes your team good. And with the cap space we have, these players can be kept, and we also have the ability to add some players to make the team good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Talent? The bills have two players who shouldn't be on the trading block Leodis and Lynch. Edwards is also debatable. Other than that they should make everyone available if the price is right. I look around the league and most rosters have a handful of studs or playmakers. Maybe I'm being negative but we have alot of average to good players and sorely lack the special ones. You would be really surprised how much our defensive players would shine if our DL was good. Look at the Giants from last year, they didnt have big name players in the secondary, but up front they were nasty and the guys behind them played really well. McGee, Greer are 2 guys you cant let walk...... And dont get me wrong, im not saying we have superior talent like other teams, but we certainly have talent to be good in this league. McGee & Greer are both really good CB's. With the lack of a defensive pass rush you have to admit both guys played really well. Now, insert a pass rush on this team, both guys become lock down CB's. They are only good as the guys in front of them.....I will say that on DL, we lack talent all the way across with Stroud being the only decent player on that DL. But I do think fixing the DL only helps the guys behind them. I think we see different players with Poz, Mitchell, Whitner.......with a really good DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflobarry Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Greer has earned, and will get, top 10 corner $ on the open market. I personally would "transition tag" him, so we get SOMETHING when some other team inevitably signs him. He is a very solid cover corner, young, and a good tackler. I'd hate to lose him, but I'm sure the penny-wise and pound-foolish Bills will let him walk. As for all of our "depth", one injury, or God forbid 2, and we're screwed. Keep your good players..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 During the 5-1 start though we didnt allow a 100 yard rusher despite facing some better rushing teams. The difference was we had the threat of a pass rush before Schobel went down and teams couldnt key on Stroud so much. Once we lost the threat of the rush, they just doubled and keyed on Stroud. During that when we were stopping the run and near the top run D in the league over that span, Greer and Youboty were playing great really good... Visiting SEA was saddled with a bad-back Hasselbeck. 1-0. JAX was down 3 starting OLs as the Bills scored a 4 point victory. 2-0. FG with time expiring to beat visiting OAK. 3-0. Comeback win in the 4th against a STL club in turmoil. I think their HC was canned the next week. 4-0. Got obliterated by AZ. 4-1. Beat visitor SD. Good win. 5-1. Then it got ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyFillUps Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 The problem sits with the owner of the Buffalo Bills, Ralph Wilson. This game of let him walk cause we dont want to pay for the players services is getting old like our owner. This is not directed at you in general, but the attitude of let him walk cause in another year he will cost too much is killing the Buffalo Bills. Imagine where the defense would be if we kept Pat Williams, Antoine Winfield, London Fletcher, & even Nate Clements for that matter or even Spikes. The Buffalo Bills have had the finances to keep these guys, but no the players knew the organization wouldnt pay them so they left for better opportunities elsewhere. All Ralph Wilson had to do is give them respectable contracts and they would have stayed. But no, the front office instead chooses the "let them go routine cause we cant afford them when we have 27 plus million in FREE cap space". And you say we have decent depth behind McGee, well I agree with that, however, letting McGee go creates less Depth then we have now. Yeah McKelvin & Corner & even Youboty showed some skills, but when it comes down to it, the logical and smart thing to do is keep your best talent, not let them walk cause they will cost money. I mean HELLO....talent costs money, you only win games when you have the talent to do so. Im not trying to be a negative nancy here and nor do I know the in's and out's of football. But I do know, that when you have talent on the team, you dont find ways to get rid of them cause they will cost money, you find ways to keep the talent despite them costing money. This has been the loser mentality of this franchise the past decade and you seen first hand what it got us....10 years of NOT making the playoffs. I get so sick of people thinking of ways to trade our best impact players cause they will cost money. This attitude has to go, but with the current owner of the Bills, Ralph Wilson this is the attitude the fans and the organization will have. But when it boils down to it, you dont find ways to trade away talent cause you are affraid to lose them, you need to find ways to keep that talent that makes your team good. And with the cap space we have, these players can be kept, and we also have the ability to add some players to make the team good. nope, still not convinced. McGee for winslow, straight up all friggin day long. Greer and Mckelvin, Ashton in the slot, Reggie the 4th. Sounds good to me. Why? cuz Kellen Winslow score a frick of a lot more points than McGee ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 At this point there isnt a player on the team that I would label exempt from a trade should the right opportunity present itself. RBs a easy to come by We could trade Leodis and still have a shot at Vontae Davis or Jenkins. Trade trent, why not/ he isnt a Ryan,Flacco or Big Ben so why not? I gotta disagree with you about Trent, I think he will is a better quarterback than Flacco. I really havn't see what the big fuss is about Flacco. yes he does have a cannon for an arm, and he is able to make some throws that most other quarterbacks are not able to, but I believe that Trent has very good vision, and I'm hopeful and optimistic that he will prove all the Trent Naysayers wrong this upcoming year. I don't believe in trading away talent as well except in a few occasions, and the Mcgee one does seem to make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyFillUps Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Greer has earned, and will get, top 10 corner $ on the open market. I personally would "transition tag" him, so we get SOMETHING when some other team inevitably signs him. He is a very solid cover corner, young, and a good tackler. I'd hate to lose him, but I'm sure the penny-wise and pound-foolish Bills will let him walk. As for all of our "depth", one injury, or God forbid 2, and we're screwed. Keep your good players..... Top ten huh? there goes your credibility. buh-bye credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 nope, still not convinced. McGee for winslow, straight up all friggin day long. Greer and Mckelvin, Ashton in the slot, Reggie the 4th. Sounds good to me. Why? cuz Kellen Winslow score a frick of a lot more points than McGee ever will. Hey man you have every right to think whatever you please about the Bills. I respect it. But trading away McGee opens another hole or shall i say Depth issues on the defense. Not saying im against Winslow, Id love to have him. I think he can be had without trading away some players.....The one thing I will say though, McGee will see more of the playing field than the injury prone Winslow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Top ten huh? there goes your credibility. buh-bye credibility. Top 10 thats might be pushing it. Maybe if he has another good season....but id say top 15-18.....but not top 10, not yet at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Greer will be an UFA. Can't trade him unless you tag him. If you tag him, his salary will be so high no will will want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 At this point there isnt a player on the team that I would label exempt from a trade should the right opportunity present itself. RBs a easy to come by We could trade Leodis and still have a shot at Vontae Davis or Jenkins. Trade trent, why not/ he isnt a Ryan,Flacco or Big Ben so why not? I see your point but Lynch and Leodis are too young and have shown the signs of possible greatness. A proposal for them would have to be huge and unlikely. I am not sold on Trent Edwards either but you don't get rid of quarterbacks with potential IMO. Joe Flacco doesn't exactly stand out as a worldbeater to me either. If I had it my way we would draft a quarterback every year somewhere middle to late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Buffalo Bills are 27 million under the cap, trust me they can keep Greer if they choose. Letting him walk creates another hold in the secondary. Yeah McKelvin played good, but after him & McGee you dont have much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Top ten huh? there goes your credibility. buh-bye credibility. Actually, him getting top 10 money isnt all that absurd. Doesnt mean he is top 10 corner, but corners get big bucks in FA and that number goes up every year. Nate Clements wasnt even CLOSE to worth what he got from San Francisco when they made him the highest paid defensive player of ALL time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 The problem sits with the owner of the Buffalo Bills, Ralph Wilson. This game of let him walk cause we dont want to pay for the players services is getting old like our owner. This is not directed at you in general, but the attitude of let him walk cause in another year he will cost too much is killing the Buffalo Bills. Imagine where the defense would be if we kept Pat Williams, Antoine Winfield, London Fletcher, & even Nate Clements for that matter or even Spikes. The Buffalo Bills have had the finances to keep these guys, but no the players knew the organization wouldnt pay them so they left for better opportunities elsewhere. All Ralph Wilson had to do is give them respectable contracts and they would have stayed. This isnt close to being true. You think Clements was going to turn down the HIGHEST paid contract in NFL history for a defensive player to stay in Buffalo for a reasonable one? Man, some fans think to retain players it all falls on the FO. Its not that simple when other teams are willing to OVER pay for a player. We are a MUCH better team for NOT paying Clements what he was demanding as that would have been a hugh finanicial mistake, especially since hes not worth to even close what he got. Winfield I wish we could have kept, but again, another over the top (at the time) contract lured him away. Buffalo did make offers to these players, most good offers, but other teams OVER paid and they took the money. I mean it wasnt like we were one step away from Super Bowl, so why would they choose us over some team willing to over pay for their services? Not to mention, when we lost Winfield we had Clements developing into a real good corner which furthered the reasoning of not over paying for a guy who at the time he got the contract from Minn was known more for his tackling than his cover skills or big play skills. Fletcher was let go because he didnt have the speed and explosiveness to make up for the short comings of our defense. They wanted to get younger and faster at LB and most his tackles happened downfield. It wasnt about money...(for the record, I wish we kept him though). The biggest blunder we made was letting go of Pat Williams. This had more to do with a change in philosophy then money in my opinnion and I see it as a mistake. Come on now...Spikes? Do you follow this team? Spikes was traded because when he returned from his devastating injury he failed to regain his old form and looked like he was about done...and they were right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 This ain't Madden, guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 This isnt close to being true. You think Clements was going to turn down the HIGHEST paid contract in NFL history for a defensive player to stay in Buffalo for a reasonable one? Man, some fans think to retain players it all falls on the FO. Its not that simple when other teams are willing to OVER pay for a player. We are a MUCH better team for NOT paying Clements what he was demanding as that would have been a hugh finanicial mistake, especially since hes not worth to even close what he got. Winfield I wish we could have kept, but again, another over the top (at the time) contract lured him away. Buffalo did make offers to these players, most good offers, but other teams OVER paid and they took the money. I mean it wasnt like we were one step away from Super Bowl, so why would they choose us over some team willing to over pay for their services? Not to mention, when we lost Winfield we had Clements developing into a real good corner which furthered the reasoning of not over paying for a guy who at the time he got the contract from Minn was known more for his tackling than his cover skills or big play skills. Fletcher was let go because he didnt have the speed and explosiveness to make up for the short comings of our defense. They wanted to get younger and faster at LB and most his tackles happened downfield. It wasnt about money...(for the record, I wish we kept him though). The biggest blunder we made was letting go of Pat Williams. This had more to do with a change in philosophy then money in my opinnion and I see it as a mistake. Come on now...Spikes? Do you follow this team? Spikes was traded because when he returned from his devastating injury he failed to regain his old form and looked like he was about done...and they were right... Before I put a reply. Nice post, you pointed some things out to me I didnt see before. The Nate Clemets thing, you are correct....I totally looked over the fact that he was offered that much from San Fran, went right over my head. And I do agree with that. Im on the same boat as you with the Winfield thing, I would have loved to keep that guy. As for Fletcher and the speed and explosiveness, I look at our LB's and they didnt show any of that speed or explosiveness. I think Fletcher would have played well with the team. As for Spikes, I only brought him up cause of the leadership skills he had, the motivational stuff he brings with his name. Id have no issues having Spikes behind Poz, Mitchell & Fletcher.....Spikes for depth is better then Ellison & Digorgio. I think we both can see some major issues with this team. I think we both can agree that keeping some key players that are with the team is a must! And one thing is for sure, neither one of us can change what happens with this team...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Before I put a reply. Nice post, you pointed some things out to me I didnt see before. The Nate Clemets thing, you are correct....I totally looked over the fact that he was offered that much from San Fran, went right over my head. And I do agree with that. Im on the same boat as you with the Winfield thing, I would have loved to keep that guy. As for Fletcher and the speed and explosiveness, I look at our LB's and they didnt show any of that speed or explosiveness. I think Fletcher would have played well with the team. As for Spikes, I only brought him up cause of the leadership skills he had, the motivational stuff he brings with his name. Id have no issues having Spikes behind Poz, Mitchell & Fletcher.....Spikes for depth is better then Ellison & Digorgio. I think we both can see some major issues with this team. I think we both can agree that keeping some key players that are with the team is a must! And one thing is for sure, neither one of us can change what happens with this team...... Agreed...like I said, I would have prefered to keep Fletcher, at least until we had a better option. I wanted to keep Winfield too, but given the contract offer he got and the fact he was known more for his tackling than his big plays in coverage, I was ok with him leaving since we had Clement really coming into his own at the time. But I dont want to lose Greer or McGee for nothing...just dont see us keeping both. So, I say lets get something for one of them since we have Leodis ready to move up and start and we would be good with Youboty and Corner backing them up. Pick up another young corner in draft of FA too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I think we could sign greer for a decent penny and get a nice trade for Mcgee. We aren't winning the superbowl next year and chances are he walks for big money after the season. Let him go to an out of division contender for a year and then he can have his payday. I would prefer draft picks than Winslow and I think it would be an easier trade to make. The Jared Allen deal comes to mind and I think both clubs will benefit from it. We won't miss Mcgee as much as they missed Allen but we won't get as much in return either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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