Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Seems to me we have a pretty good young core of CB's and are pretty deep when all are back healthy (assuming we sign Greer back). So should we consider moving one via trade? McGee - Pretty good corner Greer - developed into one of our best, maybe even our best, cover corner Leodis - showed tons of promise and really developed throughout the year Youboty - played really well and started living up to his potential before injury R. Corner - showed promise and started to develop the last part of the year We may very well have 4 starting caliber corners on this squad (Youboty is still somewhat unproven only because he didnt really develop until this year and then got hurt) with another young CB developing in R. Corner. So, given our depth, would it make sense to try and trade someone like McGee or even a sign and trade with Greer to try and pick up a TE or first day draft picks? For instance...given Cle needs help at DB, maybe we could pry disgruntled Winslow from them... If you were to try and make a trade, who do you look to move and for what in return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Seems to me we have a pretty good young core of CB's and are pretty deep when all are back healthy (assuming we sign Greer back). So should we consider moving one via trade? McGee - Pretty good corner Greer - developed into one of our best, maybe even our best, cover corner Leodis - showed tons of promise and really developed throughout the year Youboty - played really well and started living up to his potential before injury R. Corner - showed promise and started to develop the last part of the year We may very well have 4 starting caliber corners on this squad (Youboty is still somewhat unproven only because he didnt really develop until this year and then got hurt) with another young CB developing in R. Corner. So, given our depth, would it make sense to try and trade someone like McGee or even a sign and trade with Greer to try and pick up a TE or first day draft picks? For instance...given Cle needs help at DB, maybe we could pry disgruntled Winslow from them... If you were to try and make a trade, who do you look to move and for what in return? As much as I love Mcgee, which I think he is an absolute Gem, I would say he would be the most logical choice to trade. He would have the most trade value because of his good coverage and return skills. The good thing is we have Leodis who seems to be as a good of a return man as Mcgee so in that area he is more expendible. I do believe that the cost of resigning Mcgee will probably well exceed that of Greer; And I do agree with Alpha about Youbouty and Corner and if we could resign Greer for something south of $6Million a year that would be a major plus, hopefully no one will offer him crazy cash but this is the NFL so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickie do-right Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I would consider Greer only because we will lose him in FA. If we could get a fair draft pick or teade for a starter I would make the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyFillUps Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 McGee could definatley be the bait to pry Kellen Winslow from the Browns. They desperatly need c starting CB, We need a TE. From a cost standpoint, his salary could free up enough to pay Winslow and help pay for a big name DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 As much as I love Mcgee, which I think he is an absolute Gem, I would say he would be the most logical choice to trade. He would have the most trade value because of his good coverage and return skills. The good thing is we have Leodis who seems to be as a good of a return man as Mcgee so in that area he is more expendible. I do believe that the cost of resigning Mcgee will probably well exceed that of Greer; And I do agree with Alpha about Youbouty and Corner and if we could resign Greer for something south of $6Million a year that would be a major plus, hopefully no one will offer him crazy cash but this is the NFL so... Pretty much my thinking too. I love McGee, but given Roscoe and Leodis in the return game, that makes him expendable there. McGee is more explosive than Greer, but I think Greer has become a pretty good coverage guy too and one could argue who is better in coverage, him or McGee. With Leodis really developing and depth behind them in Youboty and Corner, trading McGee would be a blow we could handle and it would net us the most in return. You bring up a good point to about the resigning McGee being more than Greer...so we save money there too. What do you think McGee's trade value would be? I could see us possibly getting a 1st for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 McGee could definatley be the bait to pry Kellen Winslow from the Browns. They desperatly need c starting CB, We need a TE. From a cost standpoint, his salary could free up enough to pay Winslow and help pay for a big name DE. Yeah, I doubt the Browns could do better in a trade than landing a top player like McGee at a position they sorely need help in. Given how bad that relationship has been strained there I wouldnt be surprise if we could get him for Greer. Maybe trade them Greer and one of our TE's or a 2nd day draft pick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyFillUps Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 A 1st? maybe. Prolly not. a 2nd for sure. I'd keep greer. he's a darned good man cb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 A 1st? maybe. Prolly not. a 2nd for sure. I'd keep greer. he's a darned good man cb. Yeah, you are probably right...I was thinking a second is the more likely, but I think a late first could be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Yeah, I doubt the Browns could do better in a trade than landing a top player like McGee at a position they sorely need help in. Given how bad that relationship has been strained there I wouldnt be surprise if we could get him for Greer. Maybe trade them Greer and one of our TE's or a 2nd day draft pick... probably a second. I think the Winslow for Mcgee trade could be doable, makes sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Seems to me we have a pretty good young core of CB's and are pretty deep when all are back healthy (assuming we sign Greer back). So should we consider moving one via trade? McGee - Pretty good corner Greer - developed into one of our best, maybe even our best, cover corner Leodis - showed tons of promise and really developed throughout the year Youboty - played really well and started living up to his potential before injury R. Corner - showed promise and started to develop the last part of the year We may very well have 4 starting caliber corners on this squad (Youboty is still somewhat unproven only because he didnt really develop until this year and then got hurt) with another young CB developing in R. Corner. So, given our depth, would it make sense to try and trade someone like McGee or even a sign and trade with Greer to try and pick up a TE or first day draft picks? For instance...given Cle needs help at DB, maybe we could pry disgruntled Winslow from them... If you were to try and make a trade, who do you look to move and for what in return? They may as well hang onto all of them. You never know what next season will bring. 4 victories to open the season against opponents crippled in this or that way, 0 - 6 in the division, and 2 wins against teams with better than average QBs - Cutler with DEN, Rivers with SD. In the glorious 2 - 8 finish, they were rushed against for 52, 96, 144, 166, 159, 62, 115, 165, 181, 169. The 'ole "why bother to pass against them?" makes a defensive backfield look like a bunch of pass defense champs. I see few Bills' games, but I'm thinking this young core of cornerbacks covering the short field when they were in their C2 thing weren't exactly flexing their muscles against the run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 so you want to trade away good productive CB talent for a disgruntled Winslow? Why trade away our best CB's? I mean, lets just keep digging that hole we are currently in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperKillerRobots Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 probably a second. I think the Winslow for Mcgee trade could be doable, makes sense to me. I'd rather have the 2nd than Winslow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Keep McGee get a TE in FA or draft...... PLEASE STOP TRYING TO TRADE AWAY OUR BEST TALENT ON DEFENSE. Before you know it, we will have huge holes at CB cause we traded all of them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 They may as well hang onto all of them. You never know what next season will bring. 4 victories to open the season against opponents crippled in this or that way, 0 - 6 in the division, and 2 wins against teams with better than average QBs - Cutler with DEN, Rivers with SD. In the glorious 2 -8 finish, they were rushed against for 52, 96, 144, 166, 159, 62, 115, 165, 181, 169. The 'ole "why bother to pass against them?" makes a defensive backfield look like a bunch of pass defense champs. I see few Bills' games, but I'm thinking this young core of cornerbacks covering the short field when they were in their C2 thing weren't exactly flexing their muscles against the run... During the 5-1 start though we didnt allow a 100 yard rusher despite facing some better rushing teams. The difference was we had the threat of a pass rush before Schobel went down and teams couldnt key on Stroud so much. Once we lost the threat of the rush, they just doubled and keyed on Stroud. During that when we were stopping the run and near the top run D in the league over that span, Greer and Youboty were playing great really good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Seems to me we have a pretty good young core of CB's and are pretty deep when all are back healthy (assuming we sign Greer back). So should we consider moving one via trade? McGee - Pretty good corner Greer - developed into one of our best, maybe even our best, cover corner Leodis - showed tons of promise and really developed throughout the year Youboty - played really well and started living up to his potential before injury R. Corner - showed promise and started to develop the last part of the year We may very well have 4 starting caliber corners on this squad (Youboty is still somewhat unproven only because he didnt really develop until this year and then got hurt) with another young CB developing in R. Corner. So, given our depth, would it make sense to try and trade someone like McGee or even a sign and trade with Greer to try and pick up a TE or first day draft picks? For instance...given Cle needs help at DB, maybe we could pry disgruntled Winslow from them... If you were to try and make a trade, who do you look to move and for what in return? Funniest post of the new year! Anyone think Jauron would part with a single DB? No way, he'll probably draft a couple more this April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Keep McGee get a TE in FA or draft...... PLEASE STOP TRYING TO TRADE AWAY OUR BEST TALENT ON DEFENSE. Before you know it, we will have huge holes at CB cause we traded all of them away. I understand what you are saying and I am a big believer of keeping talent. But the problem is that Mcgee will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of next year, and you got to believe that he will be commanding a very high price tag that we won't be able to match. So instead of losing him for nothing and just keeping him around for a year, we could get something back in exchange. And since it seems as if we have some quality depth at DB it does seem like a good alternative if we were to retain Greer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PushthePile Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Sign Greer and shop around all of them. You can get a good idea of value and maybe find something you like in the process. This is good business and Alphadog has the right idea. Nobody is saying get rid of Mcgee for nothing and whats the worst case scenario we got Greer and Mcgee next year. Terrence is a nice player but in order to gain something you need to give something and he is our best expendable value. If our FO had the ability to think ahead we might have gotten something for any of the players that have walked for nothing in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyFillUps Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I understand what you are saying and I am a big believer of keeping talent. But the problem is that Mcgee will be an unrestricted free agent at the end of next year, and you got to believe that he will be commanding a very high price tag that we won't be able to match. So instead of losing him for nothing and just keeping him around for a year, we could get something back in exchange. And since it seems as if we have some quality depth at DB it does seem like a good alternative if we were to retain Greer. Exactly. You arent seeing the big picture, maurauder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 I swear some fans just always want to be rebuilding and coaching up draft picks. Why trade any of them? They all have experience in the NFL. They all appear to be good corners. I still don't understand how people think Greer is better than Mcgee. Besides the Dolphins game Mcgee had a great year. He doesn't have alot of INT's but you can attribute that to crappy defensive scheme and Mcgee's cover ability. People just don't throw to the WR's he is covering because they can't. Greer is gone in FA. He is going to receive a ton of money in the offseason. Money the Bills should be spending someplace else. The Bills have great depth at CB. That leaves the Bills with 4 corners if they resign Youbouty which i think they should. Draft one in in the later rounds and move on. Time to Adopt the Steeler way. I work with a Steeler fan and he's been a fan for 35 years. He said of those 35 years the Steelers have been in the playoffs 27 times. That is amazing. The Steelers make the playoffs each year because they draft well. They always have depth and when players are bout to cash in they let them go. The next guy comes in and eventually makes their defense better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23, 2009 Author Share Posted January 23, 2009 Keep McGee get a TE in FA or draft...... PLEASE STOP TRYING TO TRADE AWAY OUR BEST TALENT ON DEFENSE. Before you know it, we will have huge holes at CB cause we traded all of them away. What other "talent" on Defense has been suggested to be traded? If we KEEP Greer, we WONT keep McGee next year... Do you think we will pay to retain McGee after paying Greer this year and having Leodis on the roster? You cant actually see us doing that do you? So, either we LOSE Greer this year and HOPE to sign McGee next year or we keep Greer this year and say BYE to McGee next year because no way we pay both of them unless something goes wrong with Leodis... Either way, we lose good CB's for nothing...see Clements and Winfield for further proof... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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