Chalkie Gerzowski Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Time to move on in the pass rushing dept. Keep Denney as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Bills salaries for 2008: http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Buffalo-Bills-Salaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Bills salaries for 2008: http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/Buffalo-Bills-Salaries Looking at the players from this list, how many of the ones who had a 2+ mil cap hit earned their keep? There is your problem. Paying out very good contracts to mediocre players. Aaron Schobel(DE) $0 $8,729,795 $0 $0 $0 NO Derrick Dockery(OL) $0 $6,356,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Langston Walker(OL) $0 $6,006,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Marcus Stroud(DT) $0 $5,673,386 $0 $0 $0 YES Chris Kelsay(DE) $0 $5,000,000 $0 $0 $0 NO Jason Peters(OL) $0 $4,450,000 $0 $0 $0 NO Roscoe Parrish(WR) $0 $4,261,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Terrence McGee(CB) $0 $4,125,000 $0 $0 $0 YES Kawika Mitchell(LB) $0 $4,006,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Spencer Johnson(DE) $0 $3,506,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Melvin Fowler(OL) $0 $3,323,388 $0 $0 $0 NO Lee Evans(WR) $0 $3,130,344 $0 $0 $0 YES Ryan Denney(DE) $0 $3,106,720 $0 $0 $0 NO J.P. Losman(QB) $0 $3,068,250 $0 $0 $0 NO Josh Reed(WR) $0 $2,925,000 $0 $0 $0 YES Donte Whitner(S) $0 $2,734,500 $0 $0 $0 YES Robert Royal(TE) $0 $2,331,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Brian Moorman(K) $0 $2,243,148 $0 $0 $0 YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Some of those salaries are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Looking at the players from this list, how many of the ones who had a 2+ mil cap hit earned their keep? There is your problem. Paying out very good contracts to mediocre players. Aaron Schobel(DE) $0 $8,729,795 $0 $0 $0 NO Derrick Dockery(OL) $0 $6,356,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Langston Walker(OL) $0 $6,006,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Marcus Stroud(DT) $0 $5,673,386 $0 $0 $0 YES Chris Kelsay(DE) $0 $5,000,000 $0 $0 $0 NO Jason Peters(OL) $0 $4,450,000 $0 $0 $0 NO Roscoe Parrish(WR) $0 $4,261,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Terrence McGee(CB) $0 $4,125,000 $0 $0 $0 YES Kawika Mitchell(LB) $0 $4,006,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Spencer Johnson(DE) $0 $3,506,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Melvin Fowler(OL) $0 $3,323,388 $0 $0 $0 NO Lee Evans(WR) $0 $3,130,344 $0 $0 $0 YES Ryan Denney(DE) $0 $3,106,720 $0 $0 $0 NO J.P. Losman(QB) $0 $3,068,250 $0 $0 $0 NO Josh Reed(WR) $0 $2,925,000 $0 $0 $0 YES Donte Whitner(S) $0 $2,734,500 $0 $0 $0 YES Robert Royal(TE) $0 $2,331,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Brian Moorman(K) $0 $2,243,148 $0 $0 $0 YES I agree with your assessment. Out of the 18 players listed, only 8 have earned their pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 Some of those salaries are Especially these: Aaron Schobel(DE) $0 $8,729,795 $0 $0 $0 NO Derrick Dockery(OL) $0 $6,356,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Langston Walker(OL) $0 $6,006,720 $0 $0 $0 NO Chris Kelsay(DE) $0 $5,000,000 $0 $0 $0 NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Some of those salaries are $26m for Schobel, Dockery, Kelsay, and Walker. And we don't have the money for a Haynesworth or Peppers? You almost have to root for a 2-14 type horrible year so Ralph has no choice but to clean house next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 2, 2009 Author Share Posted January 2, 2009 $26m for Schobel, Dockery, Kelsay, and Walker. And we don't have the money for a Haynesworth or Peppers? You almost have to root for a 2-14 type horrible year so Ralph has no choice but to clean house next year. Hate to say it, but I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 $26m for Schobel, Dockery, Kelsay, and Walker. And we don't have the money for a Haynesworth or Peppers? You almost have to root for a 2-14 type horrible year so Ralph has no choice but to clean house next year. Please explaing to me how this statement has even an ounce of truth? We cant sign players currently under contract with other teams... Plus, Peppers and Haynesworth dont wanna leave, Haynesworth is already negotiating a deal with Tenn, both teams want to retain both players, both teams are gonna offer good money to stay, both teams had real big years...so why on earth would a player who doesnt want to leave on a winning team that is probably gonna get a huge contract from such team leave to come to Buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Ralphie is asleep....5 million for Kelsay? Holy **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Please explaing to me how this statement has even an ounce of truth? We cant sign players currently under contract with other teams... Plus, Peppers and Haynesworth dont wanna leave, Haynesworth is already negotiating a deal with Tenn, both teams want to retain both players, both teams are gonna offer good money to stay, both teams had real big years...so why on earth would a player who doesnt want to leave on a winning team that is probably gonna get a huge contract from such team leave to come to Buffalo? It means that we piss money away on mediocre players. A Haynesworth or Peppers means players of their ilk. Why not over-pay for true difference makers? If Tennessee offers Haynesworth $10m per year, offer him $13m per year. Let his agent know that the Bills will offer 25% more than anything Tennessee offers. It's just depressing to hear that we can't go after these type of players when so much money is currently wasted on average players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 These contract numbers deserves its own thread. Roscoe got 4 million?!? WTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 These contract numbers deserves its own thread. Roscoe got 4 million?!? WTF $4 million for a punt/kick returner...ouch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 It means that we piss money away on mediocre players. A Haynesworth or Peppers means players of their ilk. Why not over-pay for true difference makers? If Tennessee offers Haynesworth $10m per year, offer him $13m per year. Let his agent know that the Bills will offer 25% more than anything Tennessee offers. It's just depressing to hear that we can't go after these type of players when so much money is currently wasted on average players. I understand the desire for these players, but having Peppers or Haynesworth does not fix our problems but fills a single hole (haynesworth doesnt even fill a hole as our D line is solid in the middle). Putting an absurd amount of money into one player like that means we dont fill several other holes for one. Two, its still a mute point as they want to stay where they are at and will get the money they want where they at...so why leave? Three, we DO have the money to throw absurds amount of money at them, so why do you keep saying we don't? Four...NE, Pitt, Balt, Indy are all consistently among the best teams in the NFL the last 7 years, yet none of them go out and sign elite FA's and throw absurd amounts of money at them...Dallas and Washington do...how many SB's do NE, Pitt, Balt, and Indy have the last decade and how many do Dallas, Oakland and Washington have after throwing stupid money at players? 6 to zero... Dumping all your money into a single player doesnt win you a championship...bringing in players who fit your scheme and drafting well do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'm with you Jerry in it could be a blessing in disguise. The Bills almost have to either draft a DE high or go after someone in free agency to "cover the bases" so to speak. I wouldn't mind going after Bert Berry AND drafting someone at #11...... yeah- sort of like they did last year knowing Peters was boycotting all Bills activities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Makes sense. I wouldn't want two top-end DE's drafted or signed at the expense of filling another hole, but they do need to have a contingency plan in case AS comes back and is more Chris Kelsay than Aaron Schobel. that's right, we need to set aside at least a few of those top 3 round picks for DBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 It means that we piss money away on mediocre players. A Haynesworth or Peppers means players of their ilk. Why not over-pay for true difference makers? If Tennessee offers Haynesworth $10m per year, offer him $13m per year. Let his agent know that the Bills will offer 25% more than anything Tennessee offers. It's just depressing to hear that we can't go after these type of players when so much money is currently wasted on average players. things will change now that Modrak has been added to the inner circle. For the last 8 years, his and Guy's impecable player evaluations have justified those wacked out salaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No QB - No Bueno Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 At least he got a flu shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I understand the desire for these players, but having Peppers or Haynesworth does not fix our problems but fills a single hole (haynesworth doesnt even fill a hole as our D line is solid in the middle). Putting an absurd amount of money into one player like that means we dont fill several other holes for one. Two, its still a mute point as they want to stay where they are at and will get the money they want where they at...so why leave? Three, we DO have the money to throw absurds amount of money at them, so why do you keep saying we don't? Four...NE, Pitt, Balt, Indy are all consistently among the best teams in the NFL the last 7 years, yet none of them go out and sign elite FA's and throw absurd amounts of money at them...Dallas and Washington do...how many SB's do NE, Pitt, Balt, and Indy have the last decade and how many do Dallas, Oakland and Washington have after throwing stupid money at players? 6 to zero... Dumping all your money into a single player doesnt win you a championship...bringing in players who fit your scheme and drafting well do... How many Super Bowls do NE, Pitt, Balt, and Indy win without Brady, Roethlisberger, Lewis, and Manning? I know they were drafted, but the Bills can't seem to do that either. Get impact players anyway you can. Dallas, Washington, and Oakland are dysfunctional franchises. Over-spending is but one of their many issues. You can't blame their problems solely on over-paying but it works for Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 How many Super Bowls do NE, Pitt, Balt, and Indy win without Brady, Roethlisberger, Lewis, and Manning? I know they were drafted, but the Bills can't seem to do that either. Get impact players anyway you can. Dallas, Washington, and Oakland are dysfunctional franchises. Over-spending is but one of their many issues. You can't blame their problems solely on over-paying but it works for Ralph. You just made my point trying rebuttal...Brady, Roth, Lewis, Manning were all drafted by those teams. The formula of overpaying to bring in names hasnt worked for Dallas, Oakland, Jets, or Washington. In fact, Washington has elected to stop doing it. In fact, it hasnt worked for a single team ever in the NFL to go on wild spending sprees to try and buy a SB. Has it even worked for Yankees? Nope. How about the Mavericks? Nope. How about the Mets? Nope. Just not a good formula to win. The teams with consistency in this league build through quality drafts and FA's that fit their scheme, not just big names with big contracts. Sure, some key signing help, but just going out and massively overpaying just to get a player isnt going to win you anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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