In space no one can hear Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 per Chris Mathews. Mathews I'd have to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 You mean she hasn't paid taxes for her employees and owes someone about $250K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews are two of the most obvious pro-Obama people in the media. They are constantly talking him up while talking her down. The look of disappointment on their faces last night was laughable. Terry McAliffe challenged Matthews about how the media keeps saying Clinton should quit and that it's over, and he denied saying anything like it, while every night he's talking about how there's no way she can win the nomination and what's her motivation if she can't win. And it's the media that keeps bringing up the race issue, and then they blame it on Clinton when she talks about an AP story that said what Matthews is attributing to her. On all the networks, they repeatedly show the statistics of how many blacks and whites are voting for each, and about how the blacks will revolt if Clinton gets the nomination. But they're not talking about race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 They are partly right about blacks not voting for her if she somehow gained the nomination. After all if you look at the numbers she should have no way of catching him. With that being said it's worse with Clinton supporters the majority states that they will not vote for Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 They are partly right about blacks not voting for her if she somehow gained the nomination. After all if you look at the numbers she should have no way of catching him. With that being said it's worse with Clinton supporters the majority states that they will not vote for Obama. The point is that they accuse Clinton of making race an issue, but they are the ones who are constantly talking about it. While some blacks may not vote for Clinton, they won't vote for McCain either. But as you said there are more Clinton supporters who won't vote for Obama but will vote for McCain, so the net total difference in lost/crossover votes favors Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 The point is that they accuse Clinton of making race an issue, but they are the ones who are constantly talking about it. While some blacks may not vote for Clinton, they won't vote for McCain either. But as you said there are more Clinton supporters who won't vote for Obama but will vote for McCain, so the net total difference in lost/crossover votes favors Clinton. Hate to say it Clinton is done. She will be gracefully exit after next Tuesday. Especially with Obama's huge lead right now in Oregon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Hate to say it Clinton is done. She will be gracefully exit after next Tuesday. Especially with Obama's huge lead right now in Oregon. While she has a huge lead in Kentucky and Puerto Rico. She isn't going anywhere until Obama has at least 2209 committed delegates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 While she has a huge lead in Kentucky and Puerto Rico. She isn't going anywhere until Obama has at least 2209 committed delegates. That if what she hopes for (Florida and Michigan) instantly comes into play and in her corner. Not going to happen. She can't be for the rules at one point and then wanting the rules changes at another when it benefits her. So minus Florida and Michigan the magic number is 2,026 - Obama being only 142 delegates away. Let's just put it this way, people that I know have had meetings with her. After those meetings, they all believe this is basically working for two items. 1) to leave on a high note 2) to hopefully raise money to pay down debt. Fat Lady has sung - time to end it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Live&DieBillsFootball Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 While she has a huge lead in Kentucky and Puerto Rico. She isn't going anywhere until Obama has at least 2209 committed delegates. I love the new spin that now it takes 2209 delegates instead of 2026. If you can't win, try to keep moving the goal line. And as far as Clinton not talking race: "I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me." I guess only hard-working Americans are white Americans. But you're right she does a great job in states where people are uneducated and states where there is a high level of inbreeding such as WV, KY and Arkansas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 (we don't have one eating popcorn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yall Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I guess only hard-working Americans are white Americans. Damn straight. When I get a tan my productivity plummets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 What the Clintonistas don't seem to get is that primary voting is in no way indicative of voting in the general election. If a state is 80% GOP, chances are good that state is going to go GOP. It really doesn't matter who gets 70% of the 20% of the electorate which is not GOP in a primary. I guess they think we're so stupid we don't get it. Just because she won WV doesn't mean squat. It doesn't even say anything about the people of WV, really...although it's fun to hypothesize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 What the Clintonistas don't seem to get is that primary voting is in no way indicative of voting in the general election. If a state is 80% GOP, chances are good that state is going to go GOP. It really doesn't matter who gets 70% of the 20% of the electorate which is not GOP in a primary. I guess they think we're so stupid we don't get it. Just because she won WV doesn't mean squat. It doesn't even say anything about the people of WV, really...although it's fun to hypothesize. Sure, Obama's inability to pick up the white blue-collar vote won't have any effect on him in swing states. And John McCain's ability to attract old people because he's old won't also have any effect in swing states... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Sure, Obama's inability to pick up the white blue-collar vote won't have any effect on him in swing states. And John McCain's ability to attract old people because he's old won't also have any effect in swing states... And of course Hillary not being able to win the smaller states - minus of course WV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Great. Now I've got an image in my head of Al Sharpton telling Michael Douglas "I'm not going to be ignored..." I really needed that, thanks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Sure, Obama's inability to pick up the white blue-collar vote won't have any effect on him in swing states. And John McCain's ability to attract old people because he's old won't also have any effect in swing states... Primary versus general election. Big difference. It'll be Obama versus Bush Lite. And as I always say - honestly who's in charge affects me not at all. It's an ironic thing that the "swing" voters are usually the ones who feel the most pain when they make a bad choice. So if they swing for McCain, they'll have to live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Primary versus general election. Big difference. It'll be Obama versus Bush Lite. If you're a far left Democrat, anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews are two of the most obvious pro-Obama people in the media. They are constantly talking him up while talking her down. The look of disappointment on their faces last night was laughable. Terry McAliffe challenged Matthews about how the media keeps saying Clinton should quit and that it's over, and he denied saying anything like it, while every night he's talking about how there's no way she can win the nomination and what's her motivation if she can't win. And it's the media that keeps bringing up the race issue, and then they blame it on Clinton when she talks about an AP story that said what Matthews is attributing to her. On all the networks, they repeatedly show the statistics of how many blacks and whites are voting for each, and about how the blacks will revolt if Clinton gets the nomination. But they're not talking about race. And you are the most pro-Hillary person here. If Obama gets the nom, who are you voting for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 That if what she hopes for (Florida and Michigan) instantly comes into play and in her corner. Not going to happen. She can't be for the rules at one point and then wanting the rules changes at another when it benefits her. Since when? After all she's a Democrat. Or does that only apply in Florida? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Rules are rules. She agreed to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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