ganesh Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 If JP learns the game well enough to slow it down in his brain he can make the reads necessary to dump it off either for a couple of yards and we live to fight another play or for a big gain from run after the catch. He needs to stop depending on his athleticism and ability he developed to make something happen which he learned running for his life behind the Tulane line and instead learn to let the game come to him, count on his teammates and really take the substantial amount the opposing D gives us. 739063[/snapback] All your points are valid.....If JP nails down the intermediate/short routes and consistently throws them without hestitation, I think he wins this battle hands down just from the point that he can also make the big throws and he is young and could be the future of the franchise.... However if JP is inconsistent with the short/intermeidate throws, KH will nail this job from the coaching staffs view....because he never misses those throws... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 However if JP is inconsistent with the short/intermeidate throws, KH will nail this job from the coaching staffs view....because he never misses those throws... 739089[/snapback] [/quote/] Really? I didn't know he had a 100% completion rate. Who WAS that person wearing his jersey at camp then? Do you actually believe that statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I don't see KH as the guy to improve the team. The interceptions are somewhat indicative of what everyone recognizes as the problem with him as a starter. Now the point to consider is that KH's weakness doesn't make JP any better. I'm more interested in in how JP performs from here on out. This is not going to be a very pretty season, but if anything we will have a good sense whether JP is the answer. I think we pretty much know the KH is not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 However if JP is inconsistent with the short/intermeidate throws, KH will nail this job from the coaching staffs view....because he never misses those throws... 739089[/snapback] [/quote/] Really? I didn't know he had a 100% completion rate. Who WAS that person wearing his jersey at camp then? Do you actually believe that statement? 739094[/snapback] Oh Boy....talk about nit-picking.....What I really meant is that he has a pretty high completion success with the short throws..... BTW, I am one of the biggest proponents of JP on this forum....and I think KH is not the future of this franchise....What I was trying to articulate is what the coaches might be thinking and how they might be approaching this whole QB situation.... I want JP to win this job outright and the easiest way is for him to make all throws (short/midrange/long) on a consistent basis....Everything else will take care of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Oh Boy....talk about nit-picking.....What I really meant is that he has a prettyhigh completion success with the short throws..... BTW, I am one of the biggest proponents of JP on this forum....and I think KH is not the future of this franchise....What I was trying to articulate is what the coaches might be thinking and how they might be approaching this whole QB situation.... I want JP to win this job outright and the easiest way is for him to make all throws (short/midrange/long) on a consistent basis....Everything else will take care of itself. 739099[/snapback] When you use the word 'never' there is one meaning in my lexicon. At any rate my difference with you is more than a nit. Holcomb's record indicates he is somewhat more accurate on the short to intermediate passes...something I didn't see in 5 camp sessions. I only thing I give Holcomb credit for is being more calm than JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swift Sylvan Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 When you use the word 'never' there is one meaning in my lexicon. At any rate my difference with you is more than a nit. Holcomb's record indicates he is somewhat more accurate on the short to intermediate passes...something I didn't see in 5 camp sessions. I only thing I give Holcomb credit for is being more calm than JP. 739127[/snapback] I believe Holcomb set a team record for passing accuracy last year at something around 67%. Most QB's never accomplish that in a year, especially not playing with the Brown's and Bill's O-Line for most of their careers. Not to mention, if Kelly isn't very accurate on deep throws then logically his accuracy for short-intermediate should be even higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Most of his picks were from passes he threw down field. In this offense, with these speedy receivers, that's like a kiss of death for Holcomb. http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=3952 738892[/snapback] You need to start reading more of JP's struggles in the short passing game. He looks lost and confused--pretty much like Coy Wire in pass coverage. JP can't make a 5 yard pass to save his life (I guess because it involves more reading of the defense and quick decisions). I just hope it's correctable. When does Nall get back again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 If the coaches judge the QB position based on one single practice, they're !@#$ed no matter who starts. 739000[/snapback] Good point, but his "bad" practices or at least the practices where he is being outperformed by JP are adding up. We'll see how they look in live games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I'm not as much concerned about the picks as I am in Kelly's own comments that the ball "sailed" on him. 738982[/snapback] I finally saw the video of the three picks, and I have to say they were REALLY bad throws. Really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I finally saw the video of the three picks, and I have to say they were REALLY bad throws. Really bad. 739416[/snapback] yah they were. he shoulda had a 4th picked as well, but clements dropped it. Not a good night for KH. But tripplett looked fast hell on that fumble recovery and return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCBongo Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 yeah, but....yeah, but.....yeah, but.....yeah, but....didn't KH throw for 400 yards in a playoff game? 738979[/snapback] Wasn't RJ good in one game too? Holcomb is a career back up, good for spots, just not in the long haul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewgetz Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 yeah, but....yeah, but.....yeah, but.....yeah, but....didn't KH throw for 400 yards in a playoff game? 738979[/snapback] Didn't Arizona have a good game that one time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 To me, it's not so much the three picks, it's because they were all deep passes. That means a lot considering this offense requires a lot of passes to be thrown deep. 738937[/snapback] And I bet you it's because the balls were under-thrown. He does have a pretty weak arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasker Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 And I bet you it's because the balls were under-thrown. He does have a pretty weak arm. 739684[/snapback] Hopefully this will be the kind of thing that can let them end the competition. That way I can return to liking KH as our backup (I never rooted against Frank Reich in practices...but I love hearing bad news from KH). I have a feeling they will let this drag on for a while longer unless JP outshines KH against Carolina. Clearly JP has been solid in the deep passing game. Hopefully he can relax and hit Royal and dump to Willis and hit the receivers on short routes as well. But in the words of Allen Iverson "we're talking about practice". I know it matters a lot in football, but the preseason games matter a lot more, and I don't think an off evening practice ends KH's hopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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