beerme1 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I'm wondering about this issue given that two teams have matched our offers. Apparently they weren't bad offers as they were matched. I'm giving Marv some benefit here which is tough because I am in the camp that believes, We Are Doomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsjunkie Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 He convinced Bill P to take Shane Conlan. That worked out pretty good I would say. Same with Thurman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 He convinced Bill P to take Shane Conlan. That worked out pretty good I would say. Same with Thurman. 640054[/snapback] He didn't convince Polian to take Conlan. Polian had to convince Marv that Conlan would still be there after they traded down with Cleveland. Marv has an aversion to trading on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsjunkie Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Actually no, Bill wanted another guy that ended up in jail. I remember Marv talking about this when he was hired as GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I'm wondering about this issue given that two teams have matched our offers. Apparently they weren't bad offers as they were matched.I'm giving Marv some benefit here which is tough because I am in the camp that believes, We Are Doomed 640045[/snapback] In Wells' case. his comments after signing the offer sheet sure made it sound like he wanted to stay in Arizona all along. If I was Marv, I would have rescinded the offer and made a statement that I'm only interested in players that really want to be here. But I'm just a 9 to 5 hack. Perhaps Marv knew that Wells was just using Buffalo as leverage and made the offer that he did accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I seem to remember that there was a major argument between Marv and Butler over Moulds versus McElroy back in 1996. Does anyone remember which side of the argument that Marv was on? My recollection is that Kelly begged for a WR. That would mean that either... 1. Kelly went over Marv's head to side with Butler or... 2. Kelly joined forces with Marv to hammer it home to convince Butler to yield. Does anyone remember? I know it was just one situation, but it would give a good example of where either Marv was dead on (for wanting Moulds) or dead wrong (for wanting McElroy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Does anyone remember? I know it was just one situation, but it would give a good example of where either Marv was dead on (for wanting Moulds) or dead wrong (for wanting McElroy). 640091[/snapback] I don't think it was an arguement. As I recall prior to the draft that Butler commented that if McElroy was available with our pick we were sure to take him. Though instead we took Moulds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Any Marv-Moulds connection prior to the draft would be curious given Marv's refusal to play Mounds as anything but a kick returner for 2+ years. That was a smart decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I seem to remember that there was a major argument between Marv and Butler over Moulds versus McElroy back in 1996. Does anyone remember which side of the argument that Marv was on? My recollection is that Kelly begged for a WR. That would mean that either... 1. Kelly went over Marv's head to side with Butler or... 2. Kelly joined forces with Marv to hammer it home to convince Butler to yield. Does anyone remember? I know it was just one situation, but it would give a good example of where either Marv was dead on (for wanting Moulds) or dead wrong (for wanting McElroy). 640091[/snapback] Levy wanted Moulds, Butler wantd McElroy. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you dont....thats life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poeticlaw Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Levy wanted Moulds, Butler wantd McElroy. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you dont....thats life 640231[/snapback] http://www.cswstats.com/samples/data/1Z9.txt http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories...tml?page=2(read this one Marv gives us optimism ooops didnt he retire instead abanding the bills sinking ship?) Im not sure how good of an evaluator of talent Marv is. I loved him as the coach of our great team in the 90's. However, the most painful thing about Marv that has sat with me for a long time is this. After Marv failed at starting Todd Collins alex vanpelt and Billy joe herbert on the season he realized he was in over his head and retired at the end of the season. Can he judge QBS dont know he was given a lucky charm with Jim Kelly for 11 years. JIm ran the offense, Jim was the QB. Now hes being tested by bringing in NAll we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis in NC Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I don't think it was an arguement. As I recall prior to the draft that Butler commented that if McElroy was available with our pick we were sure to take him. Though instead we took Moulds. 640110[/snapback] Actually, what John Butler said before the draft was to the effect that "if McElroy is available when we pick, I will dance a jig!" So maybe that was just blowing smoke on JB's part. Or maybe he danced the jig, then they picked Moulds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hopefully there will be scouts explaining to marv why the helmets are not leather, and what the face mask does, let alone who to pick. Marv would have served us better as the President, and not GM, While I think he is inspirational, he may not be the best judge of talent. But we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonprophet Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 Marv would have served us better as the President, and not GM, While I think he is inspirational, he may not be the best judge of talent. But we'll see. 640395[/snapback] Being that Marv actually coached some really good NFL players, he should be a damn sight better than Donahoe at judging whether a player has what it takes to be good in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 The proof is in the pudding. I'll tell you how good he is at the end of next season. Given his years of experience in the game working with players on a day to day basis, I suspect he will be pretty darn good...but we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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