mikecole1 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 From the Buffalo News: The Bills do not have to make any cuts because they already are under the cap. Buffalo had a cap total of $85.8 million, according to News estimates. However, it still is expected the team will release veteran receiver Eric Moulds soon. Moulds is due to receive $7.1 million in cash this year. With their current cap situation, under the scenario Gaughn lays out, wouldn't it make sense at this point to just KEEP Moulds for at least one more year and then reevaluate next season? You'll have to go out and replace him in free agency + if you cut him you still have a cap hit for half of it I'm guessing. My thinking is no one comes close to him talentwise in free agency. Who are you going to get? David Givens? Please. What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 From the Buffalo News: The Bills do not have to make any cuts because they already are under the cap. Buffalo had a cap total of $85.8 million, according to News estimates. However, it still is expected the team will release veteran receiver Eric Moulds soon. Moulds is due to receive $7.1 million in cash this year. With their current cap situation, under the scenario Gaughn lays out, wouldn't it make sense at this point to just KEEP Moulds for at least one more year and then reevaluate next season? You'll have to go out and replace him in free agency + if you cut him you still have a cap hit for half of it I'm guessing. My thinking is no one comes close to him talentwise in free agency. Who are you going to get? David Givens? Please. What am I missing? 619989[/snapback] Well of course what you say makes too much sense for this forum! I have maintained all along that Moulds will not be released - he will either be a Bills this Fall, or will be traded. That way, we get something in return and also control which team gets him. The only reason I can think of for the delay is the CBA situation, and that Moulds may accept a restructure if there's no pay cut - giving the Bills a bit more cap room for free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Well of course what you say makes too much sense for this forum! I have maintained all along that Moulds will not be released - he will either be a Bills this Fall, or will be traded. That way, we get something in return and also control which team gets him. 619998[/snapback] A team who trades for Moulds would be responsible for his obscene, undeserved salary, therefore no team would be willing to do so. That too makes a little sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30dive Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Draft day trade bait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 From the Buffalo News: The Bills do not have to make any cuts because they already are under the cap. Buffalo had a cap total of $85.8 million, according to News estimates. However, it still is expected the team will release veteran receiver Eric Moulds soon. Moulds is due to receive $7.1 million in cash this year. With their current cap situation, under the scenario Gaughn lays out, wouldn't it make sense at this point to just KEEP Moulds for at least one more year and then reevaluate next season? You'll have to go out and replace him in free agency + if you cut him you still have a cap hit for half of it I'm guessing. My thinking is no one comes close to him talentwise in free agency. Who are you going to get? David Givens? Please. What am I missing? 619989[/snapback] I say IF the cap goes up to around $110M, keep him 1 more year & then cut him.... but I'd still make sure you have a viable back-up for him this year. That way, if he ends up being a problem child again, you can TO him without too much pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Moulds would have to do alot to be able to deserve what T.O. received from the Eagles. I don't get where everyone thinks moulds is this giant cancer in the locker room. Yeah, yeah, he quit in the Miami game (or so some people say) but why don't we run McGahee out of town? Didn't he pretty much give up after getting his 1000 yards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I'm not completly defending moulds either. When he keeps saying he refuses to take a pay cut, he has pretty much changed my opinion on him to let him go and be done with him if he does not want to help this team get some more cap room to build a winning team. Even with a pay cut, he'll still be one of the highest paid bills next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfaningeneseo Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 OK, well, I am going to make this my first post (everyone should feel very lucky right now ) I have been watching the boards for a couple of years, and have been a bills fan since before I remember (which isn't all that long ago) I have always been of the opinion, when talking to friends and such, that everyone in the NFL (Quaterback to kicker and everyone inbetween) should make something like 2 mil. a year, and all the rest of their salary should be given to charity, or education, or social security, or....... There is no way a person who catches a football for a living should make more than a teacher or a doctor. When I see someone gripping about not taking a paycut to help out their team, I dunno, the screw them response is the first thing on my mind. I apologize for any sense that made its way into that statement, and nice to be a member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I say IF the cap goes up to around $110M, keep him 1 more year & then cut him.... but I'd still make sure you have a viable back-up for him this year. That way, if he ends up being a problem child again, you can TO him without too much pain. 620010[/snapback] Your pain threshold is pretty high. To me, $7 mil for having Moulds on the field is a huge waste. To pay him that to stay home like TO, as you suggest, is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fergy Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 OK, well, I am going to make this my first post (everyone should feel very lucky right now ) I have been watching the boards for a couple of years, and have been a bills fan since before I remember (which isn't all that long ago) I have always been of the opinion, when talking to friends and such, that everyone in the NFL (Quaterback to kicker and everyone inbetween) should make something like 2 mil. a year, and all the rest of their salary should be given to charity, or education, or social security, or....... There is no way a person who catches a football for a living should make more than a teacher or a doctor. When I see someone gripping about not taking a paycut to help out their team, I dunno, the screw them response is the first thing on my mind. I apologize for any sense that made its way into that statement, and nice to be a member. 620076[/snapback] Great another Democrat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecole1 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 Your pain threshold is pretty high. To me, $7 mil for having Moulds on the field is a huge waste. To pay him that to stay home like TO, as you suggest, is ludicrous. 620085[/snapback] How much of a waste is it? If you cut him, half his salary counts against the Bills cap anyway (roughly), then you're going out anyway and shelling out 2-3 million for another wide receiver. My figures may be a little skewed but you get my point. From strictly talent on the field, I don't see how you're helping yourselves by cutting him. I DO understand the frustration on here with Moulds not agreeing to any cut whatsoever, so screw him if he won't work with OBD at all to help clear a little space. If you're cutting him because he's worn out his welcome so badly that's another matter and then yes, I could understand parting ways. I wouldn't cut him just because of that Dolphins game though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Very few players--almost none take paycuts. They restructure their deal so it counts less against the cap. Moulds cap figure currently is 10M and change. If they changed that all to bonus money and amortized it over 4 years it would be much less of a cap hit. I realize now with the CBA unsettled they are unable to do that with the restrictions on contracts salary reductions etc.... But if a CBA gets done it would not be unrealistic for Moulds to have a cap figure of about 5M. Let's wait and see before cutting him, signing a lesser talent for 2-3M/year and having the same cap figure for a FA who isn't even as good as Moulds. Patience people--just remember when you cut someone you have to replace him with another player. I think Moulds is worth about 4.5M more than Sam Aiken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikes16 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 OK, well, I am going to make this my first post (everyone should feel very lucky right now ) I have been watching the boards for a couple of years, and have been a bills fan since before I remember (which isn't all that long ago) I have always been of the opinion, when talking to friends and such, that everyone in the NFL (Quaterback to kicker and everyone inbetween) should make something like 2 mil. a year, and all the rest of their salary should be given to charity, or education, or social security, or....... There is no way a person who catches a football for a living should make more than a teacher or a doctor. When I see someone gripping about not taking a paycut to help out their team, I dunno, the screw them response is the first thing on my mind. I apologize for any sense that made its way into that statement, and nice to be a member. 620076[/snapback] Two years and that is the best you can do???? Wake up and smell the java man. Have you also been sleeping for two years?? Well , good mornin, and guess what, NFL players make too much $$$$$ and that will never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I see your point. But there are two things at play here: 1. The $10.8 M cap hit that Moulds currently occupies, which accounts for over 11% of the total team cap. Not only is that too much for a player with his particular skillset, but it also hinders our ability to improve the team in numerous other important areas. 2. There is also the matter of the "real" $7.1 M that he's due this year. That's a lot of cash for Ralph to be coughing up for a guy who isn't even a guaranteed 1,000-yard receiver. The key is going to be how many viable WRs are out there in free agency, and what it would cost to bring one in of Moulds' stature. At his best, Moulds is a top 10-15 WR. When he's not playing at his highest level, I'd be hard pressed to put him in the top 25. I would imagine that we could find someone with similar production that would cost less than $10.8 M against the cap (including the escalation of Moulds' SB). Hopefully Moulds and his agent change their tune, becaue my first choice would be for him to come back at a reduced salary. If they remain firm in their stance, then it's adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 OK, well, I am going to make this my first post (everyone should feel very lucky right now ) I have been watching the boards for a couple of years, and have been a bills fan since before I remember (which isn't all that long ago) I have always been of the opinion, when talking to friends and such, that everyone in the NFL (Quaterback to kicker and everyone inbetween) should make something like 2 mil. a year, and all the rest of their salary should be given to charity, or education, or social security, or....... There is no way a person who catches a football for a living should make more than a teacher or a doctor. When I see someone gripping about not taking a paycut to help out their team, I dunno, the screw them response is the first thing on my mind. I apologize for any sense that made its way into that statement, and nice to be a member. 620076[/snapback] First of all, welcome to the board. What you are suggesting is a socialistic structure to the NFL and that will just not fly. In fact, it should not fly. Most players have a very few highly paying years in their lives and they should get paid in accordance with the demand for their skills in the marketplace. having said that, I would like EM to retire a Bill but not if it comes at the expense of elevating the level of the entire team. If his services are more valued elsewhere, good luck to him. We both reach the same conclusion - he may be better off gone - but from different logical viewpoints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfaningeneseo Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Joe, I am not a democrat, but a liberal leaning independent FaninChicago, I can live with reaching the same conclusion, and while I agree socialism in the NFL is never going to happen, I can deal with that, simply move the payscale down and instead of paying 20 million contracts, pay 2 million contracts. I realize these guys don't have a long time to play, but the idea that they will make more money in 4-5 years playing a game as I will in my entire life performing a much more important service (arrogant me) as a teacher is revolting, and that they aren't happy with what they make anyways. O well, it is the American way..... And thanks for the welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Fergy Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Joe, I am not a democrat, but a liberal leaning independent FaninChicago, I can live with reaching the same conclusion, and while I agree socialism in the NFL is never going to happen, I can deal with that, simply move the payscale down and instead of paying 20 million contracts, pay 2 million contracts. I realize these guys don't have a long time to play, but the idea that they will make more money in 4-5 years playing a game as I will in my entire life performing a much more important service (arrogant me) as a teacher is revolting, and that they aren't happy with what they make anyways. O well, it is the American way..... And thanks for the welcome. 620139[/snapback] [/quot Football players are entertainers just like your overpaid liberal buddy's in hollywood. Hell there all overpaid but they do serve a purpose. There are alot of teachers that make a very good living out there and to say there under paid is bull. How about Policeman, fireman, and are military who put there lives in jeopady everyday who make less? Quit your whining. P.S. I hope I misspelled some words to tick you off more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 A team who trades for Moulds would be responsible for his obscene, undeserved salary, therefore no team would be willing to do so. That too makes a little sense. 620000[/snapback] No, actually it doesn't. I'm not being argumentative; it's just that I don't think it makes sense to make such a definitive declaration that "no team would be willing to do so" - when there are probably teams that just might be willing to do so (i.e., the Eagles have the cap room, and need a WR to replace T.O. - plus EM might restructure for a trade to a Superbowl contender). Guess we'll find out, come draft day, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 From the Buffalo News: The Bills do not have to make any cuts because they already are under the cap. Buffalo had a cap total of $85.8 million, according to News estimates. However, it still is expected the team will release veteran receiver Eric Moulds soon. Moulds is due to receive $7.1 million in cash this year. With their current cap situation, under the scenario Gaughn lays out, wouldn't it make sense at this point to just KEEP Moulds for at least one more year and then reevaluate next season? You'll have to go out and replace him in free agency + if you cut him you still have a cap hit for half of it I'm guessing. My thinking is no one comes close to him talentwise in free agency. Who are you going to get? David Givens? Please. What am I missing? 619989[/snapback] I'm leaning that way, but have to admit it is a tough decision. Splains why Marv is getting lots of money and a nice car! I can't see us getting anyone as good, and would keep him, but as R. Rich pointed out in another post that cap money would be very nice given our needs and free agency. For today I would keep him, with all due respect to the other very valid point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Joe, I am not a democrat, but a liberal leaning independent FaninChicago, I can live with reaching the same conclusion, and while I agree socialism in the NFL is never going to happen, I can deal with that, simply move the payscale down and instead of paying 20 million contracts, pay 2 million contracts. I realize these guys don't have a long time to play, but the idea that they will make more money in 4-5 years playing a game as I will in my entire life performing a much more important service (arrogant me) as a teacher is revolting, and that they aren't happy with what they make anyways. O well, it is the American way.....And thanks for the welcome. 620139[/snapback] Here's the difference.... How many Peyton mannings are there compared to excellent english teachers? catch my drift, its all about supply and demand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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