VABills Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 They have Young moving up, but we still get Ngata. Hawks dropping. That's who I hope we pick if we don't get Brick. 1. Houston Texans (2-14): +Reggie Bush, RB, USC 2. New Orleans Saints (3-13): Matt Leinart, QB, USC 3. Tennessee Titans (4-12): D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia 4. New York Jets (4-12): +Vince Young, QB, Texas 5. Green Bay Packers (4-12): A.J. Hawk, OLB, Ohio State 6. x-Oakland Raiders (4-12): Demeco Ryans, OLB, Alabama 7. x-San Francisco 49ers (4-12): Jimmy Williams, DC, Virginia Tech 8. Buffalo Bills (5-11): +Haloti Ngata, NT, Oregon 9. Detroit Lions (5-11): Jay Cutler, QB, Vanderbilt 10. Arizona Cardinals (5-11): +Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State 11. St. Louis Rams (6-10): +Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland 12. Cleveland Browns (6-10): Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College 13. Baltimore Ravens (6-10): DeAngelo Williams, RB, Memphis 14. Philadelphia Eagles (6-10): +Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio State 15. Atlanta Falcons (8-8): Chad Greenway, OLB, Iowa 16. Miami Dolphins (9-7): Michael Huff, DB, Texas 17. Minnesota Vikings (9-7): +Laurence Maroney, RB, Minnesota 18. Dallas Cowboys (9-7): Derek Hagan, WR, Arizona State 19. San Diego Chargers (9-7): Marcus McNeill, OT, Auburn 20. Kansas City Chiefs (10-6): Orien Harris, DT, Miami-Fla. 21. *-New England Patriots (10-6): Paul Posluszny, OLB, Penn State 22. *-Denver Broncos (10-6): Tamba Hali, DE, Penn State Pick acquired from Washington Redskins 23. *-Carolina Panthers (11-5): Claude Wroten, DT, LSU 24. *-Tampa Bay Buccaneers (11-5): +Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson 25. *-Chicago Bears (11-5): Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA 26. *-Cincinnati Bengals (11-5): Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Florida State 27. *-New York Giants (11-5): Sinorice Moss, WR, Miami-Fla. 28. *-Pittsburgh Steelers (11-5): +LenDale White, RB, USC 29. *-Jacksonville Jaguars (12-4): Elvis Dumervil, DE, Louisville 30. *-Seattle Seahawks (13-3): Thomas Howard, OLB, UTEP 31. *-Denver Broncos (13-3): +Leonard Pope, TE, Georgia 32. *-Indianapolis Colts (14-2): Eric Winston, OT, Miami-Fla. * - Still to be determined by playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 thanks for the post. I hope we don't pass up Mario for Ngata, as much of a need as DT is not withstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 If our draft day choices come down to Ngata, Williams or Ferguson...I'd say thats a damn good problem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 6, 2006 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 If our draft day choices come down to Ngata, Williams or Ferguson...I'd say thats a damn good problem to have. 557230[/snapback] I want Hawk. I still can't believe we drafted Evans or Losman, and passed on DJ Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuyInMalta Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 The HAWK was on fire in the bowl game, wasnt he? Damn good player...but eh...we need to improve across our lines, we've put that off long enough. Dont get me wrong...I dig AJ Hawk and think he will dominate at the next level...but I also think Williams, Ngata or Ferguson will be equally succesful in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 6, 2006 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 The HAWK was on fire in the bowl game, wasnt he? Damn good player...but eh...we need to improve across our lines, we've put that off long enough. Dont get me wrong...I dig AJ Hawk and think he will dominate at the next level...but I also think Williams, Ngata or Ferguson will be equally succesful in the NFL. 557239[/snapback] Understand, but I hope we address the interior line in FA, and a LT isn't going to start right away in the NFL with any success. Beyond that I think if Peters is as good as everyone thinks and his speed he should be moved to the left. A solid RT can usually be found later in the draft. So Hawk in the first, RT in the 2nd, and a couple DT after that. Get a stud Center and RG in FA, and I still believe Anderson with a good Oline coach is the LG. I just hate passing on a sure stud like Hawk if you can get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I hope we don't pass up Mario for Ngata, as much of a need as DT is not withstanding. 557222[/snapback] Exactly. If we go into the draft having already gotten help via free agency @ DT and on the OL (interior, especially), then I sure hope we end up w/ a stud pass rusher like Williams. I don't see us being able to find as good a mix of pass rush help/run stuffing help/OL help if we go after Ngata in the first and address the pass rush later. There's nobody in free agency or later in the draft that's as strong a pass rusher as Williams. Kiwanuka is close, and if we end up w/ him (if Mario is taken by our pick), then I'd be okay w/ that also. Other than those 2, there's no standout pass rusher available @ DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Get a stud Center and RG in FA, and I still believe Anderson with a good Oline coach is the LG.I just hate passing on a sure stud like Hawk if you can get him. 557246[/snapback] McNally's not the king of all kings, lord of all lords any more in terms of OL coaching? What you said for Hawk is how I feel about Mario Williams: it would be a shame to pass on a guy who could become a Julius Peppers-type pass rusher in the league. It really would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Understand, but I hope we address the interior line in FA, and a LT isn't going to start right away in the NFL with any success. Beyond that I think if Peters is as good as everyone thinks and his speed he should be moved to the left. A solid RT can usually be found later in the draft. So Hawk in the first, RT in the 2nd, and a couple DT after that. Get a stud Center and RG in FA, and I still believe Anderson with a good Oline coach is the LG. I just hate passing on a sure stud like Hawk if you can get him. 557246[/snapback] So you finally jumped on the Peters bandwagon huh? I seem to remember you telling me that Peters was all hype and that some people like me couldn't have even watched any of the games because he wasn't that good. Glad you're aboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 6, 2006 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 So you finally jumped on the Peters bandwagon huh? I seem to remember you telling me that Peters was all hype and that some people like me couldn't have even watched any of the games because he wasn't that good. Glad you're aboard. 557261[/snapback] No what I have said he that he has shown well in the passing game, and getting a body on rushers, where his foot speed helps. However he is terrible in my opinion in the run game, and has no push and his not suited for that reason on the rightside. He needs to go to LT where that will be less of an issue. Not onboard at RT, where he is a poor option, and not very good. He maybe better at LT, I don't know, and willing to give him a chance because of the things I mentioned. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 McNally's not the king of all kings, lord of all lords any more in terms of OL coaching? What you said for Hawk is how I feel about Mario Williams: it would be a shame to pass on a guy who could become a Julius Peppers-type pass rusher in the league. It really would be. Totally agree- 300lbers who can rush the quarterback don't come around all that often, in fact I can only think of two... Julius Peppers and Mario Williams. I just wasn't that impressed with Nagta in the game against OU, and what was the deal with his knee injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 6, 2006 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 McNally's not the king of all kings, lord of all lords any more in terms of OL coaching? What you said for Hawk is how I feel about Mario Williams: it would be a shame to pass on a guy who could become a Julius Peppers-type pass rusher in the league. It really would be. 557255[/snapback] Rich, backhanded compliment here, but you are one of a few opinions I really trust. But no Mcnally is not, and I am not sure ever reason was, the lord of lords. I think that was hype. But Baltimore Oline replaced Anderson with Mulitalo and had Ogden looking bad as a result this year. Ogden I think was in fact helped in the past by an above average Anderson, who while maybe got stupid motion penalties in B'more, didn't really get beat. This year Anderson looked to have technique problems, and i blame the coach. He started getting better towards the end of the year, and other then his weight and inability to pull effectively, he was probably the best Olineman at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I could live with Ngata but these guys have more talent. 10. Arizona Cardinals (5-11): +Mario Williams, DE, N.C. State 11. St. Louis Rams (6-10): +Vernon Davis, TE, Maryland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Understand, but I hope we address the interior line in FA, and a LT isn't going to start right away in the NFL with any success. Beyond that I think if Peters is as good as everyone thinks and his speed he should be moved to the left. A solid RT can usually be found later in the draft. So Hawk in the first, RT in the 2nd, and a couple DT after that. Get a stud Center and RG in FA, and I still believe Anderson with a good Oline coach is the LG. I just hate passing on a sure stud like Hawk if you can get him. 557246[/snapback] Bennie is too dumb to play OL in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stl Bills Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 No what I have said he that he has shown well in the passing game, and getting a body on rushers, where his foot speed helps. However he is terrible in my opinion in the run game, and has no push and his not suited for that reason on the rightside. He needs to go to LT where that will be less of an issue. Not onboard at RT, where he is a poor option, and not very good. He maybe better at LT, I don't know, and willing to give him a chance because of the things I mentioned. Does that make sense? 557263[/snapback] I still can't say I agree with you, I thought he progressed almost equally as fast in the run game. If you can get a copy of the Jets game (I have it Tivo'd) watch it but watch Peters the whole time, he was plowing Jets on run plays. I think the inability to run to the right side was more CV's fault, he had a really bad second half of the season, along with Willis reverting back to dancing too much. I wouldn't mind seeing him at left tackle because he is so athletic but I don't agree that he was a liability in the run game. I'm not ready to send this kid to Canton or even Hiawi by any means but he has given me hope for the future of this offensive line. Now if we could just give the interior of the line a little facelift by signing.. Hutch or LeCharles this line would instantly be worlds better than last years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Ogden I think was in fact helped in the past by an above average Anderson, who while maybe got stupid motion penalties in B'more, didn't really get beat. 557273[/snapback] Ogden plays LT, Anderson played RG. Can't believe you're still trying to spin Fat Bennie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 6, 2006 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 Ogden plays LT, Anderson played RG. 557289[/snapback] Anderson plays LG,WTF are you talking about? Anderson played both LG and RG in Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Round 1 - RB Round 2 - WR Round 3 - QB Round 3 - QB Round 4 - WR Round 5 - TE Round 6 - RB Round 7 - WR There....we are good to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 No what I have said he that he has shown well in the passing game, and getting a body on rushers, where his foot speed helps. However he is terrible in my opinion in the run game, and has no push and his not suited for that reason on the rightside. 557263[/snapback] That's my opinion of his play as well. Maybe a full off-season of weight training would help with the push, however... And I would like to see Anderson out of here...he can't move worth a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Round 1 - RBRound 2 - WR Round 3 - QB Round 3 - QB Round 4 - WR Round 5 - TE Round 6 - RB Round 7 - WR There....we are good to go! 557295[/snapback] I think a whole lot of people here would look like the guy in your avatar if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I think a whole lot of people here would look like the guy in your avatar if that happens. 557299[/snapback] ...and the rest of the people here would be jumping for joy because of the skill player name recognition factor!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Anderson plays LG,WTF are you talking about? Anderson played both LG and RG in Baltimore. 557291[/snapback] I'm glad you edited that Mulitalo part out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted January 6, 2006 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 I'm glad you edited that Mulitalo part out. 557304[/snapback] Yeah I got mixed up because when I saw Bennie here, he was the LG when Mulitalo was hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BravinSeattle Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 DT Claude Wroten just got busted with 4K in cash a ton of pot in a routine traffic stop so he's out of the first round. I really jope Wright has dropped into the 2nd round -- what a steal he would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Round 1 - RBRound 2 - WR Round 3 - QB Round 3 - QB Round 4 - WR Round 5 - TE Round 6 - RB Round 7 - WR There....we are good to go! 557295[/snapback] Plausible if TD were still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tar Heel Bill Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Exactly. If we go into the draft having already gotten help via free agency @ DT and on the OL (interior, especially), then I sure hope we end up w/ a stud pass rusher like Williams. I don't see us being able to find as good a mix of pass rush help/run stuffing help/OL help if we go after Ngata in the first and address the pass rush later. There's nobody in free agency or later in the draft that's as strong a pass rusher as Williams. Kiwanuka is close, and if we end up w/ him (if Mario is taken by our pick), then I'd be okay w/ that also. Other than those 2, there's no standout pass rusher available @ DE. 557250[/snapback] I live in the Raleigh area and have watched MArio Williams for 3 years now and he is the real deal. AJ Hawk is a stud, but Bills don't need LB. Mario Williams is 6'5", weighs 285, and runs a 4.6 40.........He is a freak and a Julius Peppers clone. Bills pass rush problems would be solved. Of course, Ngato from Oregon takes up 2-3 blockers and could turn out to be great player as well. Players like MArio Williams come around once every 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST MODE BABY! Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Mario Williams is 6'5", weighs 285, and runs a 4.6 40.........He is a freak and a Julius Peppers clone. I thought he was 6' 7" and weighs 290. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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