Alaska Darin Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Was he the guy that got rid of their entire defensive line to Denver which allowed the Broncos to be third in the league against the run this season and the Browns to be 29th? 545950[/snapback] I think the change of scenery was needed for everyone involved in that deal. Crennel wanted to run a 3-4 and the underperforming first rounders had played too much like Mike Williams to get another year in Cleveland. I refuse to judge a guy based on one season of retooling an absolutely awful franchise. He had almost nothing to work with in Cleveland so I don't blame him for wanting to clean house and get rid of guys who were eating up a ton of cap for little onfield return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 I think the change of scenery was needed for everyone involved in that deal. Crennel wanted to run a 3-4 and the underperforming first rounders had played too much like Mike Williams to get another year in Cleveland. I refuse to judge a guy based on one season of retooling an absolutely awful franchise. He had almost nothing to work with in Cleveland so I don't blame him for wanting to clean house and get rid of guys who were eating up a ton of cap for little onfield return. 545962[/snapback] I was really just stirring the pot. If anything, I was making a point about GMs may be very good and still make some questionable calls, or may not always make the right decisions on linemen (TD anyone?). I personally think Savage is one of the only viable candidates out there, and I don't want TD fired just to fire him. But if we were to fire TD and hire Savage, I would be pretty happy with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyemike Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Hmmm...a bizarre day continues: Browns' website says Phil Savage is staying. WTAM radio is reporting the same thing. They interviewed the Browns' President, John Collins, who says everything's been worked out and that Phil Savage will remain the VP/GM of the Browns. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Hmmm...a bizarre day continues: Browns' website says Phil Savage is staying. WTAM radio is reporting the same thing. They interviewed the Browns' President, John Collins, who says everything's been worked out and that Phil Savage will remain the VP/GM of the Browns. Mike 545977[/snapback] Must be they heard Ralph was calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 but but he dosnt have a big name like ron wolf or the wacko i keep wanting...jimmy johnson.savage may actually be better than both i just mentioned only for the fact he has been evaluating college talent recently.whereas i respect jimmy johnson a ton for being a good drafter.he has been out of scouting for a while now.ron wolf has been out of touch for a few years now.if we could get a guy like rick savage i wonder how much of his scouting department he can bring from cleveland? go bills in '06 and go bills this weekend in the swamps of jersey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckeyemike Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 ESPN Starting to Backtrack. If this story isn't true, then Mortensen should be fired. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 ESPN Starting to Backtrack. If this story isn't true, then Mortensen should be fired. Mike 545989[/snapback] Why? Teams use reporters to push agendas and careers. Reporters use sources within teams to get scoops and inside stories and predict the future. A report is a report, and is not a fact. At the very most, a reporter should not be trusted as much if their stories are not true, but they should never be fired for it. Especially a story like this, which has a built-in deny factor. An insider within the Browns organization, especially a guy who doesn't like Savage could EASILY have told Mort, "Listen, I have talked o Collins and he plans on firing Savage." Mort should report that but not be held to it if this was full of sh-- or wishful thinking or Collins reconsiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Well, I was making my daily trip through the Buffalo Niagara Int'l, you know just to see if any NFL coaches were there....and I swear this guy who looked like Fred Savage was there. 545818[/snapback] Did he have a mole? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Rich Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Did he have a mole? 546024[/snapback] Fred Savage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Fred Savage? 546039[/snapback] Nice to mole you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVUFootball29 Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Sorry, but Cleveland is NOT firing Savage. It was a false report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Yes, Butch Davis was responsible for the picks after Policy/Clark. Too bad we are keeping TD - I think Savage is regarded as one of the up and coming talent evaluators and should have no problem finding another GM position. 545778[/snapback] Who says we are keeping TD ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sound_n_Fury Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 A report is a report, and is not a fact. 546016[/snapback] Sort of like Mort's report on EM's insubordination... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Sort of like Mort's report on EM's insubordination... 546219[/snapback] The difference there is that no one refuted it, including Moulds himself. Here, someone refuted it. So, if you're taking notes, when a reporter writes a story and no one has any complaints, even the person that the story puts in a bad light, and even his agent, or personal advisor does absolutely zero to refute it or deny it, you can usually assume that the report is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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