JimBob2232 Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 Buffalo also lost starting free safety Troy Vincent, who hurt his shoulder in the second quarter. Without providing the extent of the injury, the Bills announced Vincent would not return. http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5079070 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 He was out after suffering a severly torn ego caused by whiffing on a tackle of Eddie Robinson proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 I think Milloy and Vincent are shadows of their former selves. Watch the tape of this game, and see Milloy with several non-tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt in KC Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 I think Milloy and Vincent are shadows of their former selves. Watch the tape of this game, and see Milloy with several non-tackles. 501769[/snapback] Does anyone know when his cast comes off (or is it already off)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyBall4Buffalo Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 I think given the situation of the shape our dline is in, Guys like Vincent and Milloy are left relatively ineffective. For the Most part I think Milloy still has some game left. Improve the dline and I think his play would improve dramatically. Vincent is done. I'd like to see Baker Get some playing time. What baker lacks in experience he more then makes up for in speed and ability. I'd like to see him get more playing time and cut vincent lose after this season. Not sure about the cap hit, but I just have a great feeling about Baker as our future FS. I'd draft a mid round ss or maybe someone in free agency to groom under Milloy for the last year of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted November 13, 2005 Share Posted November 13, 2005 Vincent simply isn't physical enough for my taste (it wasn't that big of an issue when he was a CB). I'd much rather see Baker in there because he's shown a snoot for the game and he's willing to get dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bflo83 Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Troy Vincent's biggest hit in his two years in Buffalo was when he took JP out of action last preseason. Vincent is done - it's time for the kids to step in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Troy Vincent's biggest hit in his two years in Buffalo was when he took JP out of action last preseason. Vincent is done - it's time for the kids to step in. 502326[/snapback] If he's a failed experiment at safety, he should go back at corner. We'd have the best 3 in the league IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark VI Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Back to the question. He came off the field with a shoulder injury and was being worked on, while on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Vincent simply isn't physical enough for my taste I don't love it much either, but I can deal with it at the Free on 2 conditions: 1) he's doing other things like hawking balls and bailing out his corners and 2) he's not ducking guys. I haven't seem him going fetal and he's made quite a few plays with the ball in the air so I'd like to see him get more time to grow into the position. Cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 My problem with Vincent is I wonder how much time he puts in being NFLPA prez and how much time that detracts from his Bills player preparation. IE: at this time does spend time on the "TO" case as evidenced by his quotes on ESPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stussy109 Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 I've said this before.... Vincent CAN NOT tackle in the open field. He's decent making a hit on an unsuspecting back or receiver, but when its eye to eye, come and get me, he's really below avg. I was under the assumption Rashad Baker got in due to the fact KC was running on 66% of their plays, and Baker is better in run-support/tackling. I was glad to see him in. Milloy on the otherhand, is cast was OFF, however his wrist may still be tender. Who knows? He's in the last year of his contract anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 I think both Vincent and Milloy are gone after this year. But if Clements walks too, I'm not sure I feel good about the secondary. A lot of these young guys look good though. Eric King almost got a pick yesterday. Baker's OK, and look what McGee did withhis opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeRay Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 I haven't seem him going fetal and he's made quite a few plays with the ball in the air so I'd like to see him get more time to grow into the position. Dude, he's 34 years old. How much more time should we give him to grow into that position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Dude, he's 34 years old. How much more time should we give him to grow into that position? Dude, how about more than the dozen or so games he's ever actually played the position? Former corners like Rod Woodson and Ray Buchanan have made very succesful switches to the Free when they were older than Vincent and there's no reason he shouldn't be able to be equally effective. This is his first real year as a starter there and he's already got 3 picks and saved a couple TD's and if he stays healthy he's only going to get better. Of course since the current front office brought him in, you could just assume he sucks whether or not you actually have any clue about the player or the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Of course since the current front office brought him in, you could just assume he sucks whether or not you actually have any clue about the player or the position. 502883[/snapback] Oh, good. I thought it was just me thinking that thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Oh, good. I thought it was just me thinking that thought. The last time somebody considered it a good thing to be thinking the same thing as me.......... Well, I'm not entirely convinced there ever has been such a time, and if there was I seem to have repressed the memory of the ensuing results. Just to be safe, maybe we should both stock up on bottled water and batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Vincent simply isn't physical enough for my taste (it wasn't that big of an issue when he was a CB). I'd much rather see Baker in there because he's shown a snoot for the game and he's willing to get dirty. 501787[/snapback] I'd have to agree. I've seen Troy whiff on to many tackles this season and a real bad one in the first quarter of the KC game on Larry Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 Dude, how about more than the dozen or so games he's ever actually played the position?Former corners like Rod Woodson and Ray Buchanan have made very succesful switches to the Free when they were older than Vincent and there's no reason he shouldn't be able to be equally effective. This is his first real year as a starter there and he's already got 3 picks and saved a couple TD's and if he stays healthy he's only going to get better. Of course since the current front office brought him in, you could just assume he sucks whether or not you actually have any clue about the player or the position. 502883[/snapback] So you think Troy would be a better open field tackler if he was still at corner? I'm not saying he won't get some picks but one on one in the open field he's bouncing of ball carriers and that would happen if he was at corner or saftey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted November 14, 2005 Share Posted November 14, 2005 So you think Troy would be a better open field tackler if he was still at corner? If he was still at corner, he wouldn't necessarily have to be a great open field tackler as the two postions require different kinds of skill sets. But learning how to become an effective open field tackler because the play is now always in front of you is one of those things that he may improve on as he gets more reps at the position. I haven't seen every snap of every Bills game so I'm not sure what these references are to him bouncing off a lot of ball carriers. If you're referring to times that 240lb RB's are hitting the 2nd/3rd level untouched with a full head of steam (an all too common occurence) then it's no wonder Vincent is getting mowed occasionally; just like 25 other starting NFL Free Safeties would be. Cya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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