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This is absolutely incorrect.  If you are forced to march down field with 10+ play drives every time you are, more than likely, going to make a mistake.  A dropped ball, a sack, a turnover.  Moving the chains isn't always enough.  Quick strikes aren't just for the highlight reel.  They turn games around by shifting momentum and elimating the probablity of game changing mistakes.  Show me a team that consistantly puts up big points and I guarantee they consistantly have big plays.  Moving the chains is important, but if your team is incapable of hitting the big play you're not going to win many games.  Granted, you're also not going to win many games if you can't sustain drives...both are important, but saying that big plays are only for Sportscenter is just wrong.

 

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Take a look at the old 49ers....They ran the perfect west coast offense...that

kept moving the chains....They did not have Jerry Rice running in for 80yard

TDs......or look at the modern day Patriots....same thing.....Bottom line is

you want to win the game....By having long drives, you keep your DEFENSE

fresh so that they can attack....The best way for that is to keep long sustained

drives that will break the back of the opponent defense......

 

It is not important to "Put up BIG Points", but rather important to "put up

WINNING points"....I would rather win 9-6 than 42-3....

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Take a look at the old 49ers....They ran the perfect west coast offense...that

kept moving the chains....They did not have Jerry Rice running in for 80yard

TDs......or look at the modern day Patriots....same thing.....Bottom line is

you want to win the game....By having long drives, you keep your DEFENSE

fresh so that they can attack....The best way for that is to keep long sustained

drives that will break the back of the opponent defense......

 

It is not important to "Put up BIG Points", but rather important to "put up

WINNING points"....I would rather win 9-6 than 42-3....

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if you're winning 9-6, then no receiver is winning the game for you - your defense is. in which case a discussion of who is the best receiver (i.e., the guy who catches the ball, runs, and tries to score as many touchdowns as possible) is entirely moot.

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Take a look at the old 49ers....They ran the perfect west coast offense...that

kept moving the chains....They did not have Jerry Rice running in for 80yard

TDs......or look at the modern day Patriots....same thing.....Bottom line is

you want to win the game....By having long drives, you keep your DEFENSE

fresh so that they can attack....The best way for that is to keep long sustained

drives that will break the back of the opponent defense......

 

It is not important to "Put up BIG Points", but rather important to "put up

WINNING points"....I would rather win 9-6 than 42-3....

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re the niners, you're wrong. in his peak years (1985-1989), rice had incredibly high ypc numbers plus lots of long 50 yd.+ touchdowns. and in 1989, a year that the niners were dominant, montant averaged over 9 yards per pass attempt (one of the highest ever).

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RiceJe00.htm

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re the niners, you're wrong. in his peak years (1985-1989), rice had incredibly high ypc numbers plus lots of long 50 yd.+ touchdowns. and in 1989, a year that the niners were dominant, montant averaged over 9 yards per pass attempt (one of the highest ever).

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RiceJe00.htm

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My point was to look at them overall over those years...not just a few games or a single season....As for the 9-6 game, my point was not about offense or defesen...the bottomline is at the end of the day what matters is the number on the Win-Loss columns....

 

A short pass system allows for a more ball control offense that will run the other team defense to ground....One of the best example is our own super bowl 25. If we could have controlled the clock just enough for 5 more minutes, we would have won it.....not the Giants...

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re the niners, you're wrong. in his peak years (1985-1989), rice had incredibly high ypc numbers plus lots of long 50 yd.+ touchdowns. and in 1989, a year that the niners were dominant, montant averaged over 9 yards per pass attempt (one of the highest ever).

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RiceJe00.htm

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And many of Rice and Taylors catches were 5 yard slants and the like taken the distance. The RAC was severe. Walsh was methodical and Montana was not a bomb thrower.

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And many of Rice and Taylors catches were 5 yard slants and the like taken the distance. The RAC was severe. Walsh was methodical and Montana was not a bomb thrower.

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The question isn't whether the QB throws bombs or not, but whether the WR is a big play threat. Rice and Taylor could take it the distance on any slant, that's the definition of a big play threat.

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And many of Rice and Taylors catches were 5 yard slants and the like taken the distance. The RAC was severe. Walsh was methodical and Montana was not a bomb thrower.

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i watched those games. many of those passes were deep passes -- 30 yards plus. there's a fair amount of retrospective re-interpretation based upon not watching any games (as far as i can tell). montana threw a very accurate deep ball. it seems pointless to add at this point, but taylor averaged 18 ypc as well in 89, the year that the SF offense was at its peak. again, i watched many of those plays. they weren't just a bunch of 5 yard slants.

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My point was to look at them overall over those years...not just a few games or a single season....As for the 9-6 game, my point was not about offense or defesen...the bottomline is at the end  of the day what matters is the number on the Win-Loss columns....

 

A short pass system allows for a more ball control offense that will run the other team defense to ground....One of the best example is our own super bowl 25. If we could have controlled the clock just enough for 5 more minutes, we would have won it.....not the Giants...

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the point is that i am loooking at it over a five year period. and as far as i can tell, scoring more points will always help you in the win-loss column. good offense plus good defense is the best combo, obviously. i'll take it any day over a low scoring offense plus a ball control defense any day of the week.

 

if you want to bring up recent cases, new england's offense is in fact excellent -- loaded with good (not great) receivers and an upper tier RB plus the best qb in the league.

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