IBTG81 Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 My roommate and I had this discussion. I know a few of you will know the answer (BiB, AD, CTM). He says China can come in (because they're running on a surplus), and buy all of our technology away from Lockheed Martin, and Boeing, because they're not part of the govt, only contractors. I say there's no way this could possibly happen (I have no argument why, though). Could it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 They can bid on anything that is not classified. However the final sale of any technology to a foreign entity must be approved by the US Federal Motherment. If the Feds think the sale may jeopardize National Security, they can block the sale or at the very least try to stall it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBTG81 Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 They can bid on anything that is not classified. However the final sale of any technology to a foreign entity must be approved by the US Federal Motherment. If the Feds think the sale may jeopardize National Security, they can block the sale or at the very least try to stall it 402507[/snapback] That's what I was thinking, but how would they block or stall it? My roommate is CONVINCED China will try and pull this within 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 You can thank those terrific "Americans" running the Clinton Administration for basically repealing the COCOM system, which greatly aided the Warsaw Pact countries and the Chinese in buying our technology, including the super computers. There are a variety of laws in place to preclude companies from selling things overseas, including modern computer and other recently developed technology. Many times, in the fine print of new computer hardware or softwares purchase there are caveats that basically state that the buyer will not export the stuff out of the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 You can thank those terrific "Americans" running the Clinton Administration for basically repealing the COCOM system, which greatly aided the Warsaw Pact countries and the Chinese in buying our technology, including the super computers. There are a variety of laws in place to preclude companies from selling things overseas, including modern computer and other recently developed technology. Many times, in the fine print of new computer hardware or softwares purchase there are caveats that basically state that the buyer will not export the stuff out of the US. 402516[/snapback] Wait, you mean Clinton !@#$ed up on foreign policy? Are you SURE it was Clinton who did so? Surely you can't be serious, of the man that saved the Democrats' foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berg Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 My roommate and I had this discussion. I know a few of you will know the answer (BiB, AD, CTM). He says China can come in (because they're running on a surplus), and buy all of our technology away from Lockheed Martin, and Boeing, because they're not part of the govt, only contractors. I say there's no way this could possibly happen (I have no argument why, though). Could it? 402499[/snapback] The State Department has control over the export of anything considered a defense article or service through the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). Despite the name, it covers some general technologies and services that some would find surprising. Also, the government (FTC?) has to approve any sale of a US business to a foriegn entity. I know there are some restrictions on general technologies and intelectual property export as well, but I'm not familiar with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I know that there are international agreements as well. In the counter-proliferation arena there are not only State and DOE controls, but mechanisms such as the Waasenaar and Australia Group that both monitor and restrict WMD related and dual use technologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 China is currently buying all kinds of technological parts, fittings, compressors, etc. for the purpose of reverse engineering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMadCap Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 My guess would be that they would block the transaction based on the fact that they use this type of technology for DoD missions. They probably wouldn't want China to have access to the same stuff they are using to launch thier spy-ware.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Consider why the unctuous Ron Brown got plugged... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 The Chinese government and any company owned by a Chinese national must get approval for the transfer of any technology from the US Federal Motherment. But... China has been known to start front companies in the US to bypass the international regulations and filter technology back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 The Chinese government and any company owned by a Chinese national must get approval for the transfer of any technology from the US Federal Motherment. But... China has been known to start front companies in the US to bypass the international regulations and filter technology back 403224[/snapback] Ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 China has been known to start front companies in the US to bypass the international regulations and filter technology back 403224[/snapback] Of course, when election laws are the issue, they don't even go that far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 I was thinking of buying one of their car franchises for the states. It'll be a money maker, trust me........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin in Va Beach Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 You can thank those terrific "Americans" running the Clinton Administration for basically repealing the COCOM system, which greatly aided the Warsaw Pact countries and the Chinese in buying our technology, including the super computers. There are a variety of laws in place to preclude companies from selling things overseas, including modern computer and other recently developed technology. Many times, in the fine print of new computer hardware or softwares purchase there are caveats that basically state that the buyer will not export the stuff out of the US. 402516[/snapback] Johnny Chung: "I see the (Clinton)White House is like a subway. You have to put in coins to open the gate." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 You can thank those terrific "Americans" running the Clinton Administration for basically repealing the COCOM system, which greatly aided the Warsaw Pact countries and the Chinese in buying our technology, including the super computers. 402516[/snapback] Yes, but has the Bush Admin done anything to reverse this? I blame both admins for not minding the store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Yes, but has the Bush Admin done anything to reverse this? I blame both admins for not minding the store. 403561[/snapback] Almost certainly. Problem is the Bush administration doesn't have the first clue how to market it. I'll bet, though, that if you search the links BiB's provided, you'll find at the very least references to the applicable policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Yes, but has the Bush Admin done anything to reverse this? I blame both admins for not minding the store. 403561[/snapback] I wasn't dismissing the current administration, simply pointing out the "largest" first step in the process. I can't say whether the current administration has done anything overtly or covertly to fix/worsen the process. I'm open to hearing what's out there on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pope zimli Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I wasn't dismissing the current administration, simply pointing out the "largest" first step in the process. I can't say whether the current administration has done anything overtly or covertly to fix/worsen the process. I'm open to hearing what's out there on the subject. 403966[/snapback] Memo to file...Clinton administration has been out of office for six years. Sooner or later the Bush administration is going to have to take some responsibility for its actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of BiB Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Memo to file...Clinton administration has been out of office for six years. Sooner or later the Bush administration is going to have to take some responsibility for its actions. 405596[/snapback] Whether it's Clinton, Bush or Mickey Mouse, each administration and the nation at large has to live with the policies made by earlier ones. If Clinton screwed up export restrictions that resulted in the PRC making quantum leaps economically and technically over the last ten years, it's both accurate and appropriate to blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reuben Gant Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 In the end I do find Clinton more culpable. I spent a fair amount of time in Hong Kong in the 90's and he was loved there. Of course, he helped make many of them very rich. But I also know many American businessmen who believe that their products were outright lifted by Chinese pirating or reverse engineering without any legal remedy. In the end, we don't know what we are helping create in China because there is such a lack of political transparency. Without a floating currency we are in a sense providing the biggest labor subsidy in the history of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGTEleven Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 China has been known to start front companies in the US to bypass the international regulations and filter technology back 403224[/snapback] I used to sell fairly expensive software used in many products including military ones. I got a call from a chinese person at a company with a phony name. She wanted to buy a whole bunch of source code. When I called her back she wasn't sure what she wanted to use it for. She had no idea whatsoever. Her email addr was at yahoo.com. When I asked her for a meeting to discuss the products to be sure they were really what she needed she said the whole company was run from her apartment so we could not meet (keep in mind that she had no idea what this company, run from her apartment, was in business for, she just knew she needed this sophisticated source code to make it all work). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I used to sell fairly expensive software used in many products including military ones. I got a call from a chinese person at a company with a phony name. She wanted to buy a whole bunch of source code. When I called her back she wasn't sure what she wanted to use it for. She had no idea whatsoever. Her email addr was at yahoo.com. When I asked her for a meeting to discuss the products to be sure they were really what she needed she said the whole company was run from her apartment so we could not meet (keep in mind that she had no idea what this company, run from her apartment, was in business for, she just knew she needed this sophisticated source code to make it all work). 405716[/snapback] i hope you passed this info on to the authorities. at the time. i know I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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