VABills Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Ok bro. I think you've got it stuck in your mind that JP throws that way, and you choose not to see/remember his other throws. But we shall see soon enough. And I don't understand "throwing off his front foot." I thought throwing off your back foot was what gets qb's in trouble. If you step into a throw, wouldn't you be throwing off your front foot? Not being a prick, just trying to understand what you're saying there. Before he broke his leg, I thought he looked very good in preseason games last year. Both throwing and passing. But obviously the N.E. pick and the three passes you've seen him throw in practice have pulled the woll over your eyes. I'm not blindly predicting the savior, but I have seen enough to be optimistic. 396108[/snapback] No I have seen a lot of video already this year. JP isn't stepping into the ball, he is actually constantly moving his veet never setting and isn't stepping into it. He is using all arm and will toss off whatever foot his dancing happens to put him all. No mechanics whatsoever as far as his feet go. I have only seen a few plays where he has jumped and CTM maybe looking at the front foot throw as a jump and I can see that. Either way it's horrible footwook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I still see him leaving his feet to throw, and consistently throwing off his front foot...and generally, just not planting his feet to throw. That may have worked for him in college, but QBs can get away with a lot of bad habits in college that will get them eaten alive in the pros. I've never been confident about Losman's chances in the NFL...and as of yet, I haven't seen a damned thing that makes me change my mind. Maybe when the season starts...but then again, I believe in the adage "You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to your level of practice", and if he's practicing this "jump ball" throwing technique, what's there to be confident about? 396056[/snapback] CTM, i certainly have no problems with your arguments, but I have not seen enough footage of him to say one way or tother. However, I do agree that worked in college will not neccasarily work in the pros. I will confess that I have watched one highlight tape on JP in college, and only heard that he was running for his life on every play, hense maybe having to jump or release the ball in not perfect position. I have NO idea how this guy will pan out. But I am praying he is going to turn out well. Like you said above, wait until we get into regular season games before any judgement is made, annd to me that does not mean 3 or 4 games. I guessing Sam Wyhce and TD and MM have forgotten more about the QB position that any of us could ever hope to learn, si I will give the benefit of the doubt here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Well if you got it off BB.com, I've seen them too, and I completely disagree with your assessment of his mechanics. I watched the 30 or 40 throws of Losman's, and he almost never left his feet. You're full of crap, but judging by your moniker, you probably already knew that. 396094[/snapback] No, elsewhere. I'm not precluded from sharing it...but frankly, I don't think it's worth the effort, as the "Losman as savior/goat" debate isn't all that important to me (yes, I'm discussing it here...but this is only the second time I've deigned to share my opinion on him since he was drafted, and frankly it's starting to bore me anyway). I've seen what I've seen, you've seen what you've seen...ultimately, we'll see who's right in a couple of years. Or, more accurately, you'll see I'm right in a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 No, elsewhere. I'm not precluded from sharing it...but frankly, I don't think it's worth the effort, as the "Losman as savior/goat" debate isn't all that important to me (yes, I'm discussing it here...but this is only the second time I've deigned to share my opinion on him since he was drafted, and frankly it's starting to bore me anyway). I've seen what I've seen, you've seen what you've seen...ultimately, we'll see who's right in a couple of years. Or, more accurately, you'll see I'm right in a couple of years. :D 396123[/snapback] Now see we have a difference of opinion here. I hope JP doesn't fail, and I know you have been wrong in the past, so get over it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Ok bro. I think you've got it stuck in your mind that JP throws that way, and you choose not to see/remember his other throws. But we shall see soon enough. And I don't understand "throwing off his front foot." I thought throwing off your back foot was what gets qb's in trouble. If you step into a throw, wouldn't you be throwing off your front foot? Not being a prick, just trying to understand what you're saying there. Before he broke his leg, I thought he looked very good in preseason games last year. Both throwing and passing. But obviously the N.E. pick and the three passes you've seen him throw in practice have pulled the woll over your eyes. I'm not blindly predicting the savior, but I have seen enough to be optimistic. 396108[/snapback] Fine. I apologize for having an opinion. I bow to your infinite wisdom masquerading as a schoolgirl crush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Now see we have a difference of opinion here. I hope JP doesn't fail, and I know you have been wrong in the past, so get over it, 396125[/snapback] Clearly my subtle humor, like most things, went over your head... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Clearly my subtle humor, like most things, went over your head... 396127[/snapback] Obviously my subtle humor weny way over your oversized cranium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 No, elsewhere. I'm not precluded from sharing it...but frankly, I don't think it's worth the effort, as the "Losman as savior/goat" debate isn't all that important to me (yes, I'm discussing it here...but this is only the second time I've deigned to share my opinion on him since he was drafted, and frankly it's starting to bore me anyway). I've seen what I've seen, you've seen what you've seen...ultimately, we'll see who's right in a couple of years. Or, more accurately, you'll see I'm right in a couple of years. :D 396123[/snapback] How about just sharing where you got it from? I've never asked to actually see it, but you could let on what film you're looking at. You've made a strong statement that Losman will never be a good QB, but in my opinion you haven't backed it up. That's fine, you're entitled to believe what you want, I just tried to challenge it a little, since this message board is a forum for debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 How about just sharing where you got it from? I've never asked to actually see it, but you could let on what film you're looking at. You've made a strong statement that Losman will never be a good QB, but in my opinion you haven't backed it up. That's fine, you're entitled to believe what you want, I just tried to challenge it a little, since this message board is a forum for debate. 396135[/snapback] Private footage of someone who attended camp. I don't recall how many plays total, but it was a good length of film. QBs who don't plant their feet when they throw worry me, is all. Used to be that was a bad thing, now the vogue is to excuse it by calling them "mobile". But bad passing technique is bad passing technique...and as a point of fact, I think Michael Vick is a lousy QB as well, for precisely that reason. But then, I also thought Todd Collins would be successful. It's not like I'm infallible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 No, elsewhere. I'm not precluded from sharing it...but frankly, I don't think it's worth the effort, as the "Losman as savior/goat" debate isn't all that important to me (yes, I'm discussing it here...but this is only the second time I've deigned to share my opinion on him since he was drafted, and frankly it's starting to bore me anyway). I've seen what I've seen, you've seen what you've seen...ultimately, we'll see who's right in a couple of years. Or, more accurately, you'll see I'm right in a couple of years. :D 396123[/snapback] If this video existed I think it would be worth the effort to see it, since it obviously spells out what a disaster JP is and the impending doom of a franchise. I honestly have seen him making predominantly strong throws with solid mechanics. If the CIA releases this other training camp footage, please let me know where I can check it out. In the meantime, I suggest you try contacting the Bills brass and tell them you are available for the QB coach position, as you certainly can help JP with his footwork more than Wyche and Mularkey. Until then, I will be hanging out with my schoolgirl crush. You can sit around being all mad about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Private footage of someone who attended camp. I don't recall how many plays total, but it was a good length of film. QBs who don't plant their feet when they throw worry me, is all. Used to be that was a bad thing, now the vogue is to excuse it by calling them "mobile". But bad passing technique is bad passing technique...and as a point of fact, I think Michael Vick is a lousy QB as well, for precisely that reason. But then, I also thought Todd Collins would be successful. It's not like I'm infallible... 396142[/snapback] I've got it! We can just get JP some Levitra- it helped that guy in the commercial step and throw through the tire in his backyard. Our problems are solved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jad1 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Private footage of someone who attended camp. I don't recall how many plays total, but it was a good length of film. QBs who don't plant their feet when they throw worry me, is all. Used to be that was a bad thing, now the vogue is to excuse it by calling them "mobile". But bad passing technique is bad passing technique...and as a point of fact, I think Michael Vick is a lousy QB as well, for precisely that reason. But then, I also thought Todd Collins would be successful. It's not like I'm infallible... 396142[/snapback] All right, we'll see. My own opinion of Losman is that he won't be the total washout you claim. His mechanics are solid enough for him to make plays in the NFL. He has better skills and a stronger personality than both Collins and Johnson. Thanks to the surrounding cast of skill players, he'll have a 2 steps forward and 1 step back type of season. Evans, Moulds and McGahee will make big plays for him, but the coaching staff will need to work hard to minimize his mistakes and control his enthusiasm. I think he'll have a rookie season a lot like Brett Favre's rookie year, where one minute we'll believe the guy is a can't-miss HOFer, and the next we'll be calling for Holcomb. Whether he continues to develop along the lines of Favre will be fodder for future training camp discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 If this video existed I think it would be worth the effort to see it, since it obviously spells out what a disaster JP is and the impending doom of a franchise. I honestly have seen him making predominantly strong throws with solid mechanics. If the CIA releases this other training camp footage, please let me know where I can check it out. In the meantime, I suggest you try contacting the Bills brass and tell them you are available for the QB coach position, as you certainly can help JP with his footwork more than Wyche and Mularkey. Until then, I will be hanging out with my schoolgirl crush. You can sit around being all mad about it. 396145[/snapback] Yeah, the video doesn't exist. I'm making it up, just so I can be mad at you. You don't happen to attend Kean University, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Yeah, the video doesn't exist. I'm making it up, just so I can be mad at you. You don't happen to attend Kean University, do you? 396155[/snapback] That's not very nice. You are being a jerky jerk. Someone is going to feed you warm potato salad and pour a beer over your head with that attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cåblelady Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 You're a stupid-head! 396072[/snapback] I think poopy-head suffices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 All right, we'll see. My own opinion of Losman is that he won't be the total washout you claim. His mechanics are solid enough for him to make plays in the NFL. He has better skills and a stronger personality than both Collins and Johnson. Thanks to the surrounding cast of skill players, he'll have a 2 steps forward and 1 step back type of season. Evans, Moulds and McGahee will make big plays for him, but the coaching staff will need to work hard to minimize his mistakes and control his enthusiasm. I think he'll have a rookie season a lot like Brett Favre's rookie year, where one minute we'll believe the guy is a can't-miss HOFer, and the next we'll be calling for Holcomb. Whether he continues to develop along the lines of Favre will be fodder for future training camp discussion. 396152[/snapback] Let me add this: I think he'll end up being a bust, but I hope he's a bust like Trent Dilfer. Save the going to another team to get his Superbowl ring, of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 In the 3 sessions I attented I saw no problems with JP's foot technique. In fact it was very much superior to the previous few Qb's here. I was there for the jump throw and as someone mentioned it was a heads up move that allowed him to avoid a quick rush and get it over a defender for a short completion. It displayed an ability to adjust and think quickly on his feet. Also, throwing off the front foot is a good thing, not a negative. The problems I saw with JP were 1- him leaving the pocket too quickly at times and 2- Hesitating to release the ball on a couple plays where nothing seemed to develop. These things seem to be a work in progress though as he improved in those areas over the 3 sessions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinandjokin Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Yeah, the video doesn't exist. I'm making it up, just so I can be mad at you. You don't happen to attend Kean University, do you? 396155[/snapback] After I posted I read that you said it was a friend's home video from camp. I was just assuming it was on the web somewhere, and that it would be worth the effort to see it. Obviously that will be difficult, unless we hit up your friend for some dinner tonight and check out the tape. Anyways, I think JP will be adequate, and even above-average for a first year starter, and I'm sticking with 9-7 as the record. If nothing else, he seems to have a confidence and desire to win that none of the caretakers since Jimbo have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 After I posted I read that you said it was a friend's home video from camp. I was just assuming it was on the web somewhere, and that it would be worth the effort to see it. Obviously that will be difficult, unless we hit up your friend for some dinner tonight and check out the tape. Anyways, I think JP will be adequate, and even above-average for a first year starter, and I'm sticking with 9-7 as the record. If nothing else, he seems to have a confidence and desire to win that none of the caretakers since Jimbo have had. 396163[/snapback] you don't really believe that contrived story about the "tape", do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 In the 3 sessions I attented I saw no problems with JP's foot technique. In fact it was very much superior to the previous few Qb's here. I was there for the jump throw and as someone mentioned it was a heads up move that allowed him to avoid a quick rush and get it over a defender for a short completion. It displayed an ability to adjust and think quickly on his feet. Also, throwing off the front foot is a good thing, not a negative. The problems I saw with JP were 1- him leaving the pocket too quickly at times and 2- Hesitating to release the ball on a couple plays where nothing seemed to develop. These things seem to be a work in progress though as he improved in those areas over the 3 sessions. 396160[/snapback] yeah. but do you have the "tape" to "prove" this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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