There’s something different about McD this season…

[T.E.]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Seriously dude I respect you and your opinion I'm not one to discredit other people 

 

Yet it's a very lazy take for anybody to think Josh Allen becomes Josh Allen on all 31 other franchises.. that's literally not how the NFL works 

 

It takes an organization to groom a quarterback.. John elway passed up on Josh not because he didn't think he had tons of talent.. but because he didn't think he would be able to harness all that talent and groom him 

 

Nobody's passing up Josh Allen 

 

Sean McDermott has been a very consistent presence in this organization... Bill belichick had a huge part in grooming Tom Brady but he's not in offensive guy 

 

But he is a professional coach 

 

Sean has helped groom Josh into the steady Superstar we see today...

 

To think he would be this level on 31 other teams is not true and if it was he would have been the first overall pick guaranteed 

 

It could be true that he has tremendous talent and is the best player in the world but also that the bills helped groom him

 

 

LMAO, McDermott watched a QB competition between Allen and Nathan Peterman and thought Peterman won.

 

If you want to say he groomed defensive backs like Christian Benford or Jordan Poyer, be my guest, but he is borderline clueless when it comes to QB utilization. He has been trying for years to turn Allen into Ryan Tannehill, despite tons of evidence that Allen is at his best when the leash is off and they finally stop fretting about turnovers or balance on offense or anything else other than scoring points.

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[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Seriously dude I respect you and your opinion I'm not one to discredit other people 

 

Yet it's a lazy take for anybody to think Josh Allen becomes Josh Allen on all 31 other franchises.. that's literally not how the NFL works ..  not even specifically you but if anybody thinks Josh is the best player in the world getting drafted by 31 other teams that's not how football works

 

It takes an organization to groom a quarterback.. John elway passed up on Josh not because he didn't think he had tons of talent.. but because he didn't think he would be able to harness all that talent and groom him 

 

Nobody's passing up Josh Allen 

 

Sean McDermott has been a very consistent presence in this organization... Bill belichick had a huge part in grooming Tom Brady but he's not in offensive guy 

 

But he is a professional coach 

 

Sean has helped groom Josh into the steady Superstar we see today...

 

To think he would be this level on 31 other teams is not true and if it was he would have been the first overall pick guaranteed 

 

It could be true that he has tremendous talent and is the best player in the world but also that the bills helped groom him

 

 

This has been addressed over and over 

 

It's SUCH a retelling of history that the Bills 'groomed' Allen when what they actually did was throw him into an absolutely pitiful QB room and were forced to play him after McDermott's Peterman experiment predictably capsized. His weapons were even worse than they are today and the oline was poor as well 

 

He succeeded in spite of McDermott and Beane, not because of them. I actually think it's easier to argue he'd have had MORE success had he been drafted to another team

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

This has been addressed over and over 

 

It's SUCH a retelling of history that the Bills 'groomed' Allen when what they actually did was throw him into an absolutely pitiful QB room and were forced to play him after McDermott's Peterman experiment predictably capsized. His weapons were even worse than they are today and the oline was poor as well 

 

He succeeded in spite of McDermott and Beane, not because of them. I actually think it's easier to argue he'd have had MORE success had he been drafted to another team

I'm on record for years as stating the best way to get a good quarterback is to sit them as long as possible 

 

Literally even first round picks used to sit for a time

 

Eli Manning was the number one pick and sat ... Philip Rivers was a top five pick and sat 

 

Again Sean didn't draft Peterman... But he did know that throwing Josh to the fire is never the correct call... We are lucky Josh survived it... That's more the history of the NFL

 

No offense dude I'm just never going to have a conversation with you again if you think he'd be better off on other franchises to start his career lol he could've been ruined by TONS of teams

 

Tom Brady would not have been Tom Brady on a 31 other teams 

 

Sorry man

 

The history of the league says where you get drafted and the coach you have determines way more than your own individual talent.. because there's tons of players with talent out the Ying Yang who don't reach that level and it's because circumstances

 

Tons of quarterbacks have had talent out the yin yang with good work ethics and flame out... Nobody is going to be successful on the Jets organization with how they've been structured for years 

 

They will ruin anybody

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[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm on record for years as stating the best way to get a good quarterback is to sit them as long as possible 

 

Literally even first round picks used to sit for a time

 

Eli Manning was the number one pick and sat ... Philip Rivers was a top five pick and sat 

 

Again Sean didn't draft Peterman... But he did know that throwing Josh to the fire is never the correct call... We are lucky Josh survived it... That's more the history of the NFL

 

No offense dude I'm just never going to have a conversation with you again if you think he'd be better off on other franchises lol

 

Tom Brady would not have been Tom Brady on a 31 other teams 

 

Sorry man

 

The history of the league says where you get drafted and the coach you have determines way more than your own individual talent.. because there's tons of players with talent out the Ying Yang who don't reach that level and it's because circumstances

 

Tons of quarterbacks have had talent out the yin yang with good work ethics and flame out... Nobody is going to be successful on the Jets organization with how they've been structured for years 

 

They will ruin anybody

😂😂What on earth

 

He definitely drafted Peterman 

He definitely threw rookie Allen into the middle a 47-3 week1 ass kicking 

 

Feel free to not have conversations w me, but get your facts straight first. Your argument is nonsense

[BillsVet]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Like I said earlier in the thread I give McDermott credit for letting Allen win him the game. I don't mean that sarcastically. The best thing he and Beane can do moving forward is to build the team around Allen and get out of the way. He can gift them both a Hall of Fame legacy if they'll only let him. Some of McDermott's comments this year and his aggressiveness against Cincy give me hope that he's finally figured that out, and Beane goes as McDermott goes as far as I'm concerned.

 

This is something we've been discussing as far back as after the 2021 Divisional Round game and they've run it back or even doubled-down on the philosophy every year since then.  I still do not see McD and by connection Beane pivoting away from their basic operating strategy and abandoning how they see the game played.  Not when McD himself has been harping about running it better since 2020 ended.  Not when each UFA signing period goes defense first.  

 

One would think with this running game and putting so much into the defense they'd finally understand the way they see winning football is insufficient at key moments.  

 

One caveat...I don't see any team as dominant in the AFC and they well could advance if some things go their way.  Even then if they reach the SB, I agree the experiment in "complementary football" should end and they adjust to prioritizing the QB above everything else.   Anything's possible I suppose, but I'll believe that when I see it.  

[Billsfed1]

One thing I think people forget about too is Josh wasn’t Josh until his third year in the league.  So McDermott actually had average to below average quarterback play in his first three seasons as coach, but despite that had some winning seasons.

 

It’s another reason I don’t like the lazy take of “he has Allen”.  1/3 of his career to date he didn’t have super Josh.

[HappyDays]

32 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

This is something we've been discussing as far back as after the 2021 Divisional Round game and they've run it back or even doubled-down on the philosophy every year since then.  I still do not see McD and by connection Beane pivoting away from their basic operating strategy and abandoning how they see the game played.  Not when McD himself has been harping about running it better since 2020 ended.  Not when each UFA signing period goes defense first.  

 

Yeah I hear you. One reason I think this offseason will be different is the WGR rant shined a spotlight on the room. In retrospect I'm glad Beane did it, as stupid as it was. Before this year the national media wasn't paying much attention to the WR failings and the Bills were hiding behind elite offensive statistics. Now because of that rant everyone is paying attention and they can see that the emperor has no clothes. Games like this past week's where Allen has to pull a rabbit out of a hat over and over again just to keep them in it only makes the narrative louder. So out of self-awareness if nothing else they will HAVE to make a splash move next year. But hey, fool me a dozen times...