BUF/HOU, BAL/CLE, KC/HOU

[SCBills]

Three games. 
 

Three elite QB’s. 
 

Three very similar games.  Bills lose. KC & BAL win. 
 

I watched Houston put Mahomes in a body bag last year in the Playoffs.  But the Chiefs prevailed because of their Defense. (And maybe the refs)
 

I watched Cleveland have Lamar Jackson in hell last week.  He even threw a pick six to give them points.  They won because they held Cleveland’s Offense to 9 points. 
 

Buffalo simply cannot win these games.  Our Defense can give them one half but get exploded on in the other.  
 

If Allen and the Offense struggle, we lose. 
 

Over and over and over again.

 

KC is to BUF what BUF has been to BAL

in the Playoffs, but the fact remains… year in, year out, if Allen doesn’t have a good game against a good team, we lose. 
 

Not so for his peers.  And this is without acknowledging that he’s year in, year out, had less weaponry around him than Lamar and similar - at best - to Mahomes. 
 

Its the biggest indictment there is of Beane and our Front Office. 
 

It’s there for everyone to see. 
 

The evidence to move on is overwhelming.   And it has been for some time. 
 

Edited 1 hour ago by SCBills

[CincyBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Three games. 
 

Three elite QB’s. 
 

Three very similar games.  Bills lose. KC & BAL win. 
 

I watched Houston put Mahomes in a body bag last year in the Playoffs.  But the Chiefs prevailed because of their Defense. (And maybe the refs)
 

I watched Cleveland have Lamar Jackson in hell last week.  He even threw a pick six to give them points.  They won because they held Cleveland’s Offense to 9 points. 
 

Buffalo simply cannot win these games.  Our Defense can give them one half but get exploded on in the other.  
 

If Allen and the Offense struggle, we lose. 
 

Over and over and over again.

 

KC is to BUF what BUF has been to BAL

in the Playoffs, but the fact remains… year in, year out, if Allen doesn’t have a good game against a good team, we lose. 
 

Not so for his peers.  And this is without acknowledging that he’s year in, year out, had less weaponry around him than Lamar and similar - at best - to Mahomes. 
 

Its the biggest indictment there is of Beane and our Front Office. 
 

It’s there for everyone to see. 
 

The evidence to move on is overwhelming.   And it has been for some time. 
 

I was thinking the same thing.  We watched the Browns/Ravens game last week and it was almost a carbon copy of the situation facing the Bills going into their game with Houston - road trip against an elite D with a game breaker on D but facing a terrible offense.  The Ravens QB and offense struggles mightily yet wins the game 16 - 9.  

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

I was thinking the same thing.  We watched the Browns/Ravens game last week and it was almost a carbon copy of the situation facing the Bills going into their game with Houston - road trip against an elite D with a game breaker on D but facing a terrible offense.  The Ravens QB and offense struggles mightily yet wins the game 16 - 9.  

Yup. Most people probably didn’t watch much of it due to the Chiefs game being on, but that Ravens/Browns game was almost play for play what Bills/Texans was last night.  
 

Difference being the Ravens Defense did what you’d expect a Playoff team to do to a bad Offense. 
 

Mills is obviously better than Sanders, but 20 points in a half is absolutely wild. 

[Yobogoya!]

I often wonder what McDermott's ideal defense actually would look like if brought to fruition. 

 

Would it look anything like Houston's D did last night? Anything like Cleveland? 

 

We've invested an awful lot of draft capital and cash money into this defense. 8 years into the process and even with all the money spent and draft picks used -- I don't know that we've ever put on the type of a clinic that Houston put on us last night. Remember a touchdown was brought by special teams so the offense itself really only produced 9 points.

 

To put it another way-- if you have Demeco Ryans call plays for our defense and put McDermott in charge of that Houston D, what does this past game look like?

 

Does our offense still get smothered and suffocated into oblivion-- or does Allen sit back with no pressure and pick them apart while Davis Mills gets tortured? 

[MPL]

6 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

I often wonder what McDermott's ideal defense actually would look like if brought to fruition. 

We saw it for 2 quarters against Carolina. And it looked like it had potential. Then Oliver went down. Then Hoecht the next week. And then the ship sank. 

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

I often wonder what McDermott's ideal defense actually would look like if brought to fruition. 

 

Would it look anything like Houston's D did last night? Anything like Cleveland? 

 

We've invested an awful lot of draft capital and cash money into this defense. 8 years into the process and even with all the money spent and draft picks used -- I don't know that we've ever put on the type of a clinic that Houston put on us last night. Remember a touchdown was brought by special teams so the offense itself really only produced 9 points.

 

To put it another way-- if you have Demeco Ryans call plays for our defense and put McDermott in charge of that Houston D, what does this past game look like?

 

Does our offense still get smothered and suffocated into oblivion-- or does Allen sit back with no pressure and pick them apart while Davis Mills gets tortured? 

In fairness, we saw a Texans like performance against Mahomes from this Defense a few weeks ago with Hoecht. 
 

But it can’t be we lose one guy and the Defense falls apart. 
 

If the Texans lost Will Anderson, who’s a Top 5 DE, would their Defense fall apart?  Of course not.  

[milfandcookies]

We even got a lucky fluke kick return and still lost. 
 

two broken play touchdowns and yet still beaten by a backup QB

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, Yobogoya! said:

I often wonder what McDermott's ideal defense actually would look like if brought to fruition. 

 

Would it look anything like Houston's D did last night? Anything like Cleveland? 

 

We've invested an awful lot of draft capital and cash money into this defense. 8 years into the process and even with all the money spent and draft picks used -- I don't know that we've ever put on the type of a clinic that Houston put on us last night. Remember a touchdown was brought by special teams so the offense itself really only produced 9 points.

 

To put it another way-- if you have Demeco Ryans call plays for our defense and put McDermott in charge of that Houston D, what does this past game look like?

 

Does our offense still get smothered and suffocated into oblivion-- or does Allen sit back with no pressure and pick them apart while Davis Mills gets tortured? 

Agreed.  In every playoff game but one during the Allen era the D has played poorly in spite of often being in the top 10 during the regular season. And upon closer examination those top level McD defenses feasted on bad offenses with young and/or back QB's during the regular season but still often struggles against top level offenses. Now the D has eroded to the point where it can't dominate offenses with young (see Atlanta) or back up QB's (see last night) like it used to during the regular season.

 

McD is aware of the increasing defensive short comings over the last couple of seasons and has altered the offense to protect the defense.  This is a logical thing for a defense minded head coach to do.  And it's a bat feces crazy thing to do when you have a generational talent at QB.  And therein lies the problem.

 

 

 

   

[Yobogoya!]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

In fairness, we saw a Texans like performance against Mahomes from this Defense a few weeks ago with Hoecht. 
 

But it can’t be we lose one guy and the Defense falls apart. 
 

If the Texans lost Will Anderson, who’s a Top 5 DE, would their Defense fall apart?  Of course not.  

 

That was definitely our strongest performance of the year, but I don't think it's close to the dominance from last night. 

 

21 offensive points vs 9

 

3 sacks vs 8 sacks

 

1 turnover vs 3 turnovers 

 

No doubt the talent (and lack thereof) plays a factor. If you lose a beast like Hoecht or Anderson your performance will suffer, but even at our best we aren't holding a Mahomes-led offense to 9 points. And lord knows we've had ample opportunities to do so. 

[transplantbillsfan]

I think the expectation we're firing Beane this offseason is nuts.

 

Not happening.

 

All we can do is hope he miraculously changes his stripes.

[Talley56]

It hits me, and this will make us Bills fans feel a little dirty, but we may have to root for KC against Houston.  We would much rather a playoff spot come down to a tiebreaker between Buffalo and KC rather than Buffalo and Houston.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Talley56 said:

It hits me, and this will make us Bills fans feel a little dirty, but we may have to root for KC against Houston.  We would much rather a playoff spot come down to a tiebreaker between Buffalo and KC rather than Buffalo and Houston.

If you want to feel even dirtier, should NE beat CIN this weekend, we’d probably want them to beat the Ravens in a few weeks. 

[CincyBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If you want to feel even dirtier, should NE beat CIN this weekend, we’d probably want them to beat the Ravens in a few weeks. 

Well that's it for me.  I'm heading to the shower.