Coaches are heavily implying that Coleman isn’t trying on the field

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Beg pardon, but where are you hearing that?

In the presser I heard, McDermott seemed very carefully ambiguous on both points

 

Be surprised if he wasn't...they need WRs, only got so many on the roster and 2 are down this game.  Unless they counted Hardman as a returner and bring up Codrington, then they could elevate Davis and leave Coleman inactive.  

 

Honestly, there is ZERO reason Coleman should ever be active over Davis and I'm not sure how Beane or McD could think otherwise...only thing preventing it is their ego and their investment of a 2nd round pick.  Coleman is an anchor to the passing game.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

So I had to stop and think about this.

 

Beane has a pattern of trying to compensate (or overcompensate) for drafting late in the 1st, by taking "high ceiling low floor" guys.  

They try to take guys who they assess as having the "want to" and the "work ethic" to take coaching and work in the off season to fill in the gaps in their game and build themselves up. 

Rousseau would be one example of this from Beane.  He only had a single season of college football when he was drafted, very limited college football experience.  Seems to me it took him about 3 seasons to really come on.

 

I pegged Coleman as similar: only one season at Florida State, really not a lot of experience playing at a top college level.  Coming out, concerns about his route-running skills, his release and his explosiveness.  One of Beane's projects.  So it wouldn't have surprised me for him to take about 3 seasons to really come on.  But in order to do that, he has to have the "want to".  He has to perceive a need to develop his skills and work hard.

 

Plenty of immature wideouts have been incredible in the league *if they came in to the league with those skills*.  Coleman came into the league as a "work in progress", one of Beane's draft pattern of high-ceiling, low floor shots on goal.  I think he could become great because he has enough of the physical package, but he has to be clear-headed enough to see where he needs to add pieces and go out and work on adding those pieces (unlike sheer speed, release skills and explosiveness can be trained).


 

 

 

 

All true but I think beane has to start drafting more for instant success not 3 years down the road in the top 65 picks

 

It's great he has this long-term plan but we can't always wait two or three years for a draft pick to come on 

 

There is a happy medium

 

You really don't want it to take 3 years for your first round pick to turn it up

 

Maxwell hairston is the perfect first round pick in my eyes.. he can play well now and he still has a lot of room to grow

Edited 1 hour ago by Buffalo716

[Simon]

3 hours ago, jaybeezee said:

James Cook a d Josh Allen is all you can say and that's a fact.

 

Ed Oliver

Spencer Brown

Christian Benford

Dalton Kincaid

Cole Bishop

Greg Rousseau

Khalil Shakir

Taron Johnson

Max Hairston

Deone Walker

 

You don't even know what a "fact" is. 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

All true but I think beane has to start drafting more for instant success not 3 years down the road in the top 65 picks

 

It's great he has this long-term plan but we can't always wait two or three years for a draft pick to come on 

 

There is a happy medium

 

You really don't want it to take 3 years for your first round pick to turn it up

 

Maxwell hairston is the perfect first round pick in my eyes.. he can play well now and he still has a lot of room to grow

He also has elite athletic traits. If we're gonna swing and miss, let's miss on the Uber athletic guy rather than the higher floor prospect.

[Beck Water]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

All true but I think beane has to start drafting more for instant success not 3 years down the road in the top 65 picks

 

It's great he has this long-term plan but we can't always wait two or three years for a draft pick to come on 

 

There is a happy medium

 

You really don't want it to take 3 years for your first round pick to turn it up

 

Maxwell hairston is the perfect first round pick in my eyes.. he can play well now and he still has a lot of room to grow

 

I agree on all points. 

In this free agency era, and when the 5th round option has to be picked up (and is fully guaranteed) after the player's 3rd season - waiting 3 years for a guy to develop just before his last year under contract (for 2nd round on) or just before we have to pick up the fully guaranteed big bucks, is a luxury we really can't afford.  

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

I agree on all points. 

In this free agency era, and when the 5th round option has to be picked up (and is fully guaranteed) after the player's 3rd season - waiting 3 years for a guy to develop just before his last year under contract (for 2nd round on) or just before we have to pick up the fully guaranteed big bucks, is a luxury we really can't afford.  

 

But beane does draft better rounds 4 5 6 7 then basically most GM

 

His ability to find good football players round 5 is a great ability... 

 

I'm not giving up on Coleman yet... If there's one organization that could get into his head the good way it will be the bills 

 

Dion and shakir and Josh can right the ship... We need these three to lead by example for everybody on the offense

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Dane Jackson and Alex Austin are not remotely any good.

 

Then why are they still on NFL teams, getting playing time?

The OP contention that my post was intended to refute:

"There hasn't been one player that they drafted that is no longer on this team that is remotely any good, outside of Edmunds"

Try to keep up -

There is a huge influx of new cheap guys into the league every draft.  If a guy is not "remotely any good", teams will choose the cheap fresh blood who might potentially develop, over vets who are "not any good".  Do you really want to argue that point?  This is especially true of late rounders/UDFA.  

Therefore, if a guy is looking for a hat, and teams keep signing him, we can assume they think he is at least "remotely any good".

 

Also try to keep up - you can exclude them.  You can exclude ST players.  And the contention that "There hasn't been one player that they drafted that is no longer on this team that is remotely any good, outside of Edmunds" is still disproven because it only takes one more player.

 

Even the OP admits Teller is a stud and I think he just acknowledged that Harrison Phillips has not spent 4 years playing for the Jets and was in fact a full season starting DT 3 years on two very good Vikes teams (and one that was missing a QB).  Q E D.

 

 

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, jaybeezee said:

He also thinks Cody Ford is good because he started a lot of games... so Did Damar Hamlin, does that make him any good? This person is reaching extremely hard. 

 

Im starting to think Beck Water is Brandon Beane himself, or at least a relative of his.

 

Hi, have you acknowledged that Harrison Phillips doesn't play in the CFL or (until this season) for the NY Jets yet?

 

Let's review.  You made a contention:

"There hasn't been one player that they drafted that is no longer on this team that is remotely any good, outside of Edmunds"

One would think that the qualification "remotely any good" would include players who have earned starting roles on good teams, or who have started consistently (because a team that is trying to improve will surely try to upgrade if their starter is not "remotely any good".  But you took your little goal posts and declared that what you really meant was "stud difference makers" and I'm "reaching extremely hard" because I didn't translate what you actually wrote into what you later declared you meant.

News flash: a team that lets a lot of actual stud, game changing difference maker players instead of re-signing them is a team with bad talent e v a l.  So we would not expect that Bills to let go of a large number of actual stud, game changing difference makers.