re-sign McGovern and edwards

[Senth]

I'd do some restructuring and keep all 3 they are that important.

[Nihilarian]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, you can’t tie up the percentage of cap space in your OL that it will take. It’s not that simple!! Your tackles are highly paid. Torrence will get a contract at or above what Hunt got (5 years $100m and $63M guaranteed). It’s just not feasible to do. The Bills can get Edwards and McGovern for that. 
 

Let me ask what’s better Anderson/Higgins or Torrence/Coleman? Those are the types of decisions that are being made. We all think Torrence is good but business decisions must be made. He has excellent value. Of course he’s very good. You’re using that to improve elsewhere. You’re betting on the delta from Torrence to Anderson is smaller than the delta from Coleman to Higgins (as an example).

@Kirby JacksonI get that you really really want to see this team go a WR centric offense with two top wideouts like the Eagles have, and now perhaps Seattle has. Didn't the 49er have that not that long ago with Debo, Aiyuk? 

 

From what I've seen recently teams are not standing pat with one star #1 WR and its why Seattle went after Rasheed, why the Steelers who just gave the Seahawks a second round pick for DK Metcalf, and also wanting in on the trade for Shaheed. DK Metcalf is now making 30 million a year with Pitt and he just isn't being utilized enough to warrant that kind of monetary expenditure. Against the Colts most recently 4 targets, 2 receptions for 6 yards. Against the Packers 7 targets, 5 receptions for 55 yards, 1 TD. Against Cincy 5 targets, 3 receptions for 50 yards.

 

Yes, the Steelers are not scheming him or utilizing him properly but it tells me that most teams can take away that #! WR with double coverage and roll coverages his way. 

 

I mean everyone loved Brian Daboll's high powered passing offense (including me) But what i didn't love about it was when it wasn't working Daboll just kept calling pass plays while mostly ignoring the run game. This caused Josh Allen to be under tremendous pressure and created, sacks, turnovers in INTs, and Fumbles. 

 

This offense is now run centric and while they have a healthy James Cook they will keep running the ball to set up the pass. Which just worked against their biggest nemesis in the KC Chiefs. Yes, it is kind of boring and not as exciting as the big pass plays will induce. But what it has done is given this franchise its highest scoring season yet along with very few turnovers.

 

 The Buffalo Bills set their highest scoring season record in 2024, finishing with a total of 513 points scored during the regular season. This achievement contributed to their 13-4 record and marked a significant milestone in the team's history. AND, they led the NFL in turnover ratio with a +24. Allen had only 3 INT's all last year vs 18 he had in 2023. 

[Kirby Jackson]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

@Kirby JacksonI get that you really really want to see this team go a WR centric offense with two top wideouts like the Eagles have, and now perhaps Seattle has. Didn't the 49er have that not that long ago with Debo, Aiyuk? 

 

From what I've seen recently teams are not standing pat with one star #1 WR and its why Seattle went after Rasheed, why the Steelers who just gave the Seahawks a second round pick for DK Metcalf, and also wanting in on the trade for Shaheed. DK Metcalf is now making 30 million a year with Pitt and he just isn't being utilized enough to warrant that kind of monetary expenditure. Against the Colts most recently 4 targets, 2 receptions for 6 yards. Against the Packers 7 targets, 5 receptions for 55 yards, 1 TD. Against Cincy 5 targets, 3 receptions for 50 yards.

 

Yes, the Steelers are not scheming him or utilizing him properly but it tells me that most teams can take away that #! WR with double coverage and roll coverages his way. 

 

I mean everyone loved Brian Daboll's high powered passing offense (including me) But what i didn't love about it was when it wasn't working Daboll just kept calling pass plays while mostly ignoring the run game. This caused Josh Allen to be under tremendous pressure and created, sacks, turnovers in INTs, and Fumbles. 

 

This offense is now run centric and while they have a healthy James Cook they will keep running the ball to set up the pass. Which just worked against their biggest nemesis in the KC Chiefs. Yes, it is kind of boring and not as exciting as the big pass plays will induce. But what it has done is given this franchise its highest scoring season yet along with very few turnovers.

 

 The Buffalo Bills set their highest scoring season record in 2024, finishing with a total of 513 points scored during the regular season. This achievement contributed to their 13-4 record and marked a significant milestone in the team's history. AND, they led the NFL in turnover ratio with a +24. Allen had only 3 INT's all last year vs 18 he had in 2023. 

It has nothing to do with 2 WRs. You’re still not seeing the point. Forget about strengths and weaknesses. The salary cap is a pie chart that equates to $279.2M. Every “cap hit” takes a slice of that pie. You need to fill out ALL position rooms and depth within that pie. The Bills obviously have a big slice for QB as they should. They have a big slice for DL as the should. They have a big slice for OL as they should. If they were to pay Torrence the deal that Robert Hunt got (I think he gets more) that slice will be too large. It throws the roster out of whack. The OL slice should remain one of the largest but it will because of Dawkins, Brown and likely McGovern and/or Edwards. It will already be, arguably the biggest OL slice of the cap of any team in the league BEFORE making Torrence one of the game’s highest paid OGs. The Bills should allocate more to the OL than most teams. They shouldn’t go so far as to cripple the rest of the roster. He can’t be back unless you want to part with Dawkins or Brown. 

 

You're looking at it as a wr conversation. It isn’t that. Clearly WR1 is their biggest need but that wasn’t the point. It was an example. WR1’s don’t hit FA anymore (pretty much ever) so you have to draft one or trade for 1. I gave a realistic trade using an elite trade chip from the Bills that they probably have to replace anyways. They don’t have to replace him because he’s not good. They have to replace him because he’s about to throw the salary cap pie chart out of whack. If you’d prefer to insert a defensive lineman in there or a safety or a LB or whatever, go ahead. It has ZERO to do with the players coming back and everything to do with keeping the cap balanced.

 

The last point is Aaron Kromer has been a master at developing IOL. You have guys on your bench that would start in many places. You’re replacing a really good player that got too expensive with a good player that is inexpensive. That allows flexibility elsewhere. The drop off from Torrence to Anderson is much smaller than the drop off from Higgins (AS AN EXAMPLE) to Keon. You are just rebalancing the cap and roster. You aren’t restructuring how you’re built. You’ll still have one of the NFL’s best and most expensive OLs. 
 

Here is an analysis of it that I don’t have the energy to read at 6 AM 🤣🤣: https://www.gaics.org/userdata/upload/file/JBSM_Volume6No1_2025Article1.pdf. I’m fairly certain it addresses this conversation and others. It’s a good way to look at how the Bills are built.

Edited 14 minutes ago by Kirby Jackson

[machine gun kelly]

15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

We're probably only going to be able to keep at Max 2 of McGovern Edwards and Torrance 

 

 

History indicates different.  I think well keep all of them, but the Edwards/McGovern deals will be a bit shorter than Torrence.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It has nothing to do with 2 WRs. You’re still not seeing the point. Forget about strengths and weaknesses. The salary cap is a pie chart that equates to $279.2M. Every “cap hit” takes a slice of that pie. You need to fill out ALL position rooms and depth within that pie. The Bills obviously have a big slice for QB as they should. They have a big slice for DL as the should. They have a big slice for OL as they should. If they were to pay Torrence the deal that Robert Hunt got (I think he gets more) that slice will be too large. It throws the roster out of whack. The OL slice should remain one of the largest but it will because of Dawkins, Brown and likely McGovern and/or Edwards. It will already be, arguably the biggest OL slice of the cap of any team in the league BEFORE making Torrence one of the game’s highest paid OGs. The Bills should allocate more to the OL than most teams. They shouldn’t go so far as to cripple the rest of the roster. He can’t be back unless you want to part with Dawkins or Brown. 

 

You're looking at it as a wr conversation. It isn’t that. Clearly WR1 is their biggest need but that wasn’t the point. It was an example. WR1’s don’t hit FA anymore (pretty much ever) so you have to draft one or trade for 1). I gave a realistic trade using an elite trade chip from the Bills that they probably have to replace anyways. They don’t have to replace him because he’s not good. They have to replace him because he’s about to throw the salary cap pie chart out of whack. If you’d prefer to insert a defensive lineman in there or a safety or a LB or whatever, go ahead. It has ZERO to do with the players coming back and everything to do with keeping the cap balanced.

 

The last point is Aaron Kromer has been a master at developing IOL. You have guys on your bench that would start in many places. You’re replacing a really good player that got to expensive with a good player that is inexpensive. That allows flexibility elsewhere. The drop off from Torrence to Anderson is much smaller than the drop off from Higgins (AS AN EXAMPLE) to Keon. You are just rebalancing the cap. You aren’t restructuring how you’re built. You’ll still have one of the NFL’s best and most expensive OLs. 
 

Here is an analysis of it that I don’t have the energy to read at 6 AM 🤣🤣: https://www.gaics.org/userdata/upload/file/JBSM_Volume6No1_2025Article1.pdf. I’m fairly certain it addresses this conversation and others. It’s a good way to look at how the Bills are built.

in simplest terms - and completely bar napkin…. 
 

if Josh leaves us 200M for the rest of the team, can we dedicate 120M+ of that to the 5 starters on the OL plus cook? 
 

At some point it forces a large hole somewhere else. Likely multiple.

Edited 4 minutes ago by NoSaint