Walking Tall Posted September 28 Posted September 28 (edited) https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2025/09/28/grand-blanc-church-shooting-multiple-victims-shooter-dead-church-on-fire-police-say/ More targeted violence. Edited September 28 by Walking Tall
The Frankish Reich Posted September 28 Posted September 28 Wow, Mormon Church. And their church President (overall leader) just died. Crazy. 1
The Frankish Reich Posted September 29 Posted September 29 So two mass shootings today, both former Marines. Michigan guy looks like the central casting Rural Trump Supporter and they say Google maps captured a Trump sign on his fence this summer. So what's his beef with the Mormons? Carolina guy just seems batshit crazy. Wounded in Iraq, which I'm sure has something to do with it. Again: Charlie Kirk was a rarity; it is foolish to characterize these shooters as Democratic or Republican when the Crazy overwhelms any possible political motivation. Crazy + Guns + Social Media. That's all there is to say. 1 1 1
Wolfgang Posted September 29 Posted September 29 It's ironic that churches in America are at far greater risk of violence than they are in Iran... Americans cannot face the possibility that there are more organized political goals behind domestic terrorism... They cling to the lone nut narratives in order to avoid the implications of what a closer examination might reveal... The song remains the same...
4th&long Posted September 29 Posted September 29 1 hour ago, Wolfgang said: It's ironic that churches in America are at far greater risk of violence than they are in Iran... Americans cannot face the possibility that there are more organized political goals behind domestic terrorism... They cling to the lone nut narratives in order to avoid the implications of what a closer examination might reveal... The song remains the same... Trump Sign Found Outside Home of Michigan Church Shooting Suspect, Sparks Debate https://flip.it/L0rnM5 Stupid game to play. Do you think he did this because he IS a trump/Maga nut job? I don't. How *****en crazy do you think someone needs to be to do something like this, any of these mass shootings? It's the first thing I think of when I see it. You need to have a screw loose in a major way to kill anybody, shooting or not. I could never kill anybody. I can only imagine the only way I could is if I lost my mind.
TH3 Posted September 29 Posted September 29 26 minutes ago, 4th&long said: Trump Sign Found Outside Home of Michigan Church Shooting Suspect, Sparks Debate https://flip.it/L0rnM5 Stupid game to play. Do you think he did this because he IS a trump/Maga nut job? I don't. How *****en crazy do you think someone needs to be to do something like this, any of these mass shootings? It's the first thing I think of when I see it. You need to have a screw loose in a major way to kill anybody, shooting or not. I could never kill anybody. I can only imagine the only way I could is if I lost my mind. The important thing is these mentally disturbed continue to have clear access to guns…apparently the Morman scheduled to be the good guy with his gun was off yesterday morning Yup. That’s the system we have in place….brought to you by scotus and the gop 3
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted September 29 Posted September 29 9 minutes ago, TH3 said: The important thing is these mentally disturbed continue to have clear access to guns…apparently the Morman scheduled to be the good guy with his gun was off yesterday morning Yup. That’s the system we have in place….brought to you by scotus and the gop Ya let's take guns away from law abiding citizens so only criminals and crazys can get them.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 29 Posted September 29 (edited) 34 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said: Ya let's take guns away from law abiding citizens so only criminals and crazys can get them. How bout we not do that and strengthen and enforce gun laws. False Dilemma Also sometimes referred to as a “false dichotomy,” this is a fallacy in which one incorrectly places limitations on one’s possible options in a given scenario. This fallacy rests on the false premise that one is faced with a binary choice when it’s possible that multiple options are available. In essence, this occurs when one reduces the array of available options and alternatives to a simplified either-or condition. Example 1: If you aren’t a capitalist, you must be a communist. Edited September 29 by Joe Ferguson forever 1
Roundybout Posted September 29 Posted September 29 No half staff, no minting coins, no statues. This will be swept under the rug in no time.
Royale with Cheese Posted September 29 Posted September 29 1 minute ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: How bout we not do that and strengthen and enforce gun laws. I'm not sure if you know this but criminals don't follow the law. You know what is very illegal? Fentanyl. I bet you can't find that anywhere in the US because it's illegal right? Just to give you a stat. In Kennesaw, GA you are required to own a gun. If you live in the city limits of Kennesaw, you have to own a gun. They have had about 6 murders in the last 20 or so years. For comparison, Chicago has had 308 murders this year, that number will certainly go up by December 31 and Chicago has one of the nations strongest gun laws. I don't understand, stricter gun laws are supposed to keep the murder rate down? 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 29 Posted September 29 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I don't understand, stricter gun laws are supposed to keep the murder rate down? yes. https://www.bu.edu/articles/2019/state-gun-laws-that-reduce-gun-deaths/ Edited September 29 by Joe Ferguson forever
Roundybout Posted September 29 Posted September 29 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'm not sure if you know this but criminals don't follow the law. You know what is very illegal? Fentanyl. I bet you can't find that anywhere in the US because it's illegal right? Just to give you a stat. In Kennesaw, GA you are required to own a gun. If you live in the city limits of Kennesaw, you have to own a gun. They have had about 6 murders in the last 20 or so years. For comparison, Chicago has had 308 murders this year, that number will certainly go up by December 31 and Chicago has one of the nations strongest gun laws. I don't understand, stricter gun laws are supposed to keep the murder rate down? Why have any laws, then? 1
Royale with Cheese Posted September 29 Posted September 29 3 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: yes. I misread my articles up there. Kennesaw's murder rate is actually much higher than Chicago's. My bad. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 29 Posted September 29 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I misread my articles up there. Kennesaw's murder rate is actually much higher than Chicago's. My bad. plenty more https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/
Royale with Cheese Posted September 29 Posted September 29 4 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Why have any laws, then? Because crime would happen all the time. Is this a serious answer? You crack down on the criminals, get them off the street. Not give them cashless bales because zero consequences do nothing. I mean come on. Criminals commit crimes all the time regardless of the law. You know how you prevent them from committing crimes? Stiffer penalties. I mean use common sense. If you're violent criminal and you get arrested, don't suffer any real consequences each time, get let back out on the street....what would motivate them to stop committing crimes? Nothing! You don't get in trouble for doing it. Or if you're a 14 repeat offender, you shouldn't be on the streets at all because you clearly don't respect the law. This is common sense. 1
Westside Posted September 29 Posted September 29 1 hour ago, TH3 said: The important thing is these mentally disturbed continue to have clear access to guns…apparently the Morman scheduled to be the good guy with his gun was off yesterday morning Yup. That’s the system we have in place….brought to you by scotus and the gop You’re a POS
Royale with Cheese Posted September 29 Posted September 29 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: plenty more https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives1/ OMG, an opinion piece lol. Why not just look at the data lol? You can look up crime and murder stats. Where are you more likely to be shot and killed? Kennesaw, GA or Chicago, IL? Just because Scientific America says you're more likely to be killed in Kennesaw than Chicago doesn't make it true. How about this? Lets text each other at 2:00 am, I will be walking down the streets in Kennesaw. You walk down the streets in Chicago. Deal? 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted September 29 Posted September 29 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: OMG, an opinion piece lol. Why not just look at the data lol? You can look up crime and murder stats. Where are you more likely to be shot and killed? Kennesaw, GA or Chicago, IL? Just because Scientific America says you're more likely to be killed in Kennesaw than Chicago doesn't make it true. How about this? Lets text each other at 2:00 am, I will be walking down the streets in Kennesaw. You walk down the streets in Chicago. Deal? you posted the data and came to an incorrect conclusion. Shocked. You want an academic paper summarizing data? Look for yourself as I know that you'll reject anything that I cite. Those papers are there for u to peruse. 6 minutes ago, Westside said: You’re a POS Ad hominem An abbreviated phrase meaning “to the person,” argumentum ad hominem refers to an argument which relies on an attack directed at the speaker rather than the substance of the speaker’s argument. This rhetorical strategy is often fallacious in nature, employing an approach designed to discredit the character, substance or motive of a person in lieu of deconstructing the person’s claims. Example 1 Speaker 1: I think the idea of a moral law requires the existence of a lawgiver (i.e. God). Speaker 2: Of course you would say that. You’re a Christian. Why should we listen to you?
Royale with Cheese Posted September 29 Posted September 29 Just now, Joe Ferguson forever said: you posted the data and came to an incorrect conclusion. Shocked. You want an academic paper summarizing data? Look for yourself as I know that you'll reject anything that I cite. Those papers are there for u to peruse. What data did I have an incorrect conclusion?
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