JDHillFan Posted August 26 Posted August 26 55 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Who exactly are those people? Roundybout, of course. All within these esteemed pages. Sick, isn’t it? If you missed it all, I will be happy to share.
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 hour ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: You saying he wasn't a refugee because of how old he was? Huh? In a way, he's no different than a kid crossing the border today, except your guy would have him tossed into a camp or deported to Uganda or something I'm not sure you are familiar with the world 2000+ years ago. People travelled to and settled in different countries all the time. That was the nomadic nature of middle east civilizations. Regarding now, people who entered the country illegally were invited to leave without persecution, thus facing no legal consequences. What this industry has become now is a profit making enterprise, and by the way, I don't have "a guy."
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Author Posted August 26 58 minutes ago, B-Man said: Good work. You got all the buzz words in there to try and provoke an argument, but I don't need to join in. Jesus just proved His power and goodness to me this morning at 9:00. All praise to Him. . So are you for or against Alligator Alcatraz? 10 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Roundybout, of course. All within these esteemed pages. Sick, isn’t it? If you missed it all, I will be happy to share. You do seem to have the time. When you’re not participating in the Epstein coverup. 15 minutes ago, LeviF said: Whether he was a Roman citizen or not, he had the same status in Galilee as he did in Egypt. "The alien who is among you shall rise above you higher and higher, but you will go down lower and lower. He shall lend to you, but you will not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you will be the tail." Deuteronomy 28. See, I can do it too. I must have missed the part of the Gospels in which Jesus extols semantics.
Pokebball Posted August 26 Posted August 26 3 hours ago, SectionC3 said: I say no. Last I checked, Jesus was a brown, politically-persecuted migrant who also happened to be a socialist. But I'm curious what the evangelicals/fake Christians on the board think. Fire away! I don't have the authority to speak for Jesus
Trump_is_Mentally_fit Posted August 26 Posted August 26 26 minutes ago, sherpa said: I'm not sure you are familiar with the world 2000+ years ago. People travelled to and settled in different countries all the time. That was the nomadic nature of middle east civilizations. Regarding now, people who entered the country illegally were invited to leave without persecution, thus facing no legal consequences. What this industry has become now is a profit making enterprise, and by the way, I don't have "a guy." Nomadic nature? Ya, there was some of that, but cities existed, settled agriculture existed. Jesus was a carpenter, not a nomad. You are the one that does not seem to have a basic grasp of what civilization was like back then. And you are a Trump guy, drop the facade
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Author Posted August 26 31 minutes ago, Pokebball said: I don't have the authority to speak for Jesus No one’s asking that. The question is how do you believe Jesus would feel about such matters? Or, if that makes you uncomfortable, how about addressing the issue whether this alligator camp is consistent with Jesus’s teachings.
Pokebball Posted August 26 Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: No one’s asking that. The question is how do you believe Jesus would feel about such matters? Or, if that makes you uncomfortable, how about addressing the issue whether this alligator camp is consistent with Jesus’s teachings. You asked me to tell you how Jesus would feel or what he'd think. I can't speak for Jesus. It's very simple for me. You can pharisee away all you want. Are you against all prisons? I support protecting my sons, daughters, family, as well as all of your sons, daughters, family. If I've failed Jesus by doing and supporting that, I believe he'll guide me through my prayerful reflections on how I support protecting you and I. If not, my judgement day will come. 1
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 50 minutes ago, Trump_is_Mentally_fit said: Nomadic nature? Ya, there was some of that, but cities existed, settled agriculture existed. Jesus was a carpenter, not a nomad. You are the one that does not seem to have a basic grasp of what civilization was like back then. Another incredibly stupid post. Jesus was absolutely not a carpenter when his family fled, briefly, to Egypt to escape an edict from Herod to kill all young males. Reading your posts is similar to having to work in a circus cleaning up after the elephants. Just idiotic, and I do have that "basic grasp." 1
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 (edited) 2 hours ago, SectionC3 said: So that’s pro alligator Alcatraz? No, I don't like the idea. I am in favor of elected officials enforcing border laws, and understand that the total disregard for that responsibility is what got us to this unfortunate point. Edited August 26 by sherpa 1
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Author Posted August 26 8 minutes ago, sherpa said: No, I don't like the idea. I am in favor of elected officials enforcing border laws, and understand that the total disregard for that responsibility is what got us to this unfortunate point. You make excuses for the alligator camp. We can have a secure border without that abomination. You’re either for it or against it. I’m against it. What are you? 40 minutes ago, Pokebball said: You asked me to tell you how Jesus would feel or what he'd think. I can't speak for Jesus. It's very simple for me. You can pharisee away all you want. Are you against all prisons? I support protecting my sons, daughters, family, as well as all of your sons, daughters, family. If I've failed Jesus by doing and supporting that, I believe he'll guide me through my prayerful reflections on how I support protecting you and I. If not, my judgement day will come. What about the consistency with Jesus’s teachings? You dodged that one. Have at it any time you’d like.
Roundybout Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 hour ago, JDHillFan said: Roundybout, of course. All within these esteemed pages. Sick, isn’t it? If you missed it all, I will be happy to share. Sure man. I’m not the one who brings up trans people in most unrelated threads for no apparent reason. 1 hour ago, LeviF said: Whether he was a Roman citizen or not, he had the same status in Galilee as he did in Egypt. "The alien who is among you shall rise above you higher and higher, but you will go down lower and lower. He shall lend to you, but you will not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you will be the tail." Deuteronomy 28. See, I can do it too. This is why Protestantism is incredibly stupid and you need a powerful immortal institution like the Catholic Church to guide you to heaven.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 hours ago, B-Man said: Good work. You got all the buzz words in there to try and provoke an argument, but I don't need to join in. Jesus just proved His power and goodness to me this morning at 9:00. All praise to Him. . They're not buzzwords, they're truths. Those things that maga's choose to ignore. 1
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Just now, SectionC3 said: You make excuses for the alligator camp. We can have a secure border without that abomination. You’re either for it or against it. I’m against it. What are you? You are approaching Tib's like status. Is there some way I could make it more clear than I have in my post above where I said: "I don't like the idea." Reality is that there are thousands of examples of human situations that are in contrast to a philosophy of love and acceptance. What would Jesus think about carpet bombing cities? Fire bombing Japan in WWII. Using nuclear weapons at the end of that war. The entire question is a red herring. Jesus lived His life in a manner that would make the human condition much better, which was needed at that time, but we will never reach. He certainly, as an infant, did not become a law breaker. But, we have laws now that are better if enforced, and when not, you get what we got. The entire thread is a trigger.
gobills404 Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 hour ago, LeviF said: Whether he was a Roman citizen or not, he had the same status in Galilee as he did in Egypt. "The alien who is among you shall rise above you higher and higher, but you will go down lower and lower. He shall lend to you, but you will not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you will be the tail." Deuteronomy 28. See, I can do it too. They want separation of church and state and then will turn right around and criticize the state for not following the church when it’s convenient for them.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 hour ago, sherpa said: I'm not sure you are familiar with the world 2000+ years ago. People travelled to and settled in different countries all the time. That was the nomadic nature of middle east civilizations. Regarding now, people who entered the country illegally were invited to leave without persecution, thus facing no legal consequences. What this industry has become now is a profit making enterprise, and by the way, I don't have "a guy." They fought many wars to define borders back then. They were brutal times. And Jesus was still teaching to accept the foreigner and turn the other cheek. 1
JDHillFan Posted August 26 Posted August 26 9 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Sure man. I’m not the one who brings up trans people in most unrelated threads for no apparent reason You’ve gone on record as supporting children chopping up their bodies upon reaching puberty. In your mind that is a Christian-like thing to do. No need to be defensive about it.
Roundybout Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: You’ve gone on record as supporting children chopping up their bodies upon reaching puberty. In your mind that is a Christian-like thing to do. No need to be defensive about it. I’ve explained my side before. You have ignored every point in favor of idiotic ad hominems and studies you don’t even read. There is no point in continuing the discussion because you simply don’t argue in good faith and never will. I have my suspicions as to why.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Probably the best collection of ancient middle East artifacts on earth. Most a bit older than Jesus but still relevant. https://armstronginstitute.org/29-touring-the-bible-at-the-british-museum
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: They fought many wars to define borders back then. They were brutal times. And Jesus was still teaching to accept the foreigner and turn the other cheek. Jesus never taught anything committing any nation to economic suicide, which is exactly what would happen if any nation refuses to enforce borders with reasonable immigration rights. The conjecture that he did if preposterous. There are scores of Christian organizations that contribute huge funds and huge volunteer work for scores of nations around the world. Those are the best ways to handle this, while leveraging those people to make domestic changes on their own, ie., influencing their own governments to change.
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Author Posted August 26 6 minutes ago, sherpa said: You are approaching Tib's like status. Is there some way I could make it more clear than I have in my post above where I said: "I don't like the idea." Reality is that there are thousands of examples of human situations that are in contrast to a philosophy of love and acceptance. What would Jesus think about carpet bombing cities? Fire bombing Japan in WWII. Using nuclear weapons at the end of that war. The entire question is a red herring. Jesus lived His life in a manner that would make the human condition much better, which was needed at that time, but we will never reach. He certainly, as an infant, did not become a law breaker. But, we have laws now that are better if enforced, and when not, you get what we got. The entire thread is a trigger. What a bunch of gibberish. Of course nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki is inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus. But that horror at least had some significant color of greater good it likely averted an invasion of the Japanese homeland and ultimately saved lives. The alligator camps do not have any such benefit. Ergo, not only do I dislike the idea, I am against those camps. See how easy it is? Just now, sherpa said: Jesus never taught anything committing any nation to economic suicide, which is exactly what would happen if any nation refuses to enforce borders with reasonable immigration rights. The conjecture that he did if preposterous. There are scores of Christian organizations that contribute huge funds and huge volunteer work for scores of nations around the world. Those are the best ways to handle this, while leveraging those people to make domestic changes on their own, ie., influencing their own governments to change. Yeah, Jesus just taught crass commercialism instead. And we need not have this alligator compound to avert economic suicide.
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