sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: What a bunch of gibberish. Of course nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki is inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus. But that horror at least had some significant color of greater good it likely averted an invasion of the Japanese homeland and ultimately saved lives. The alligator camps do not have any such benefit. Ergo, not only do I dislike the idea, I am against those camps. See how easy it is? So you didn't get it when I said I was against the idea, and repeated it with a quote.
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Author Posted August 26 1 minute ago, sherpa said: So you didn't get it when I said I was against the idea, and repeated it with a quote. More gibberish. You said you don’t like it. That doesn’t mean you’re against it. I can dislike something but still support it if I feel, for example, that it is the least bad thing on a menu of options. You only now said that you’re against these alligator detention facilities. 1
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: What a bunch of gibberish. Of course nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki is inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus. But that horror at least had some significant color of greater good it likely averted an invasion of the Japanese homeland and ultimately saved lives. The alligator camps do not have any such benefit. Ergo, not only do I dislike the idea, I am against those camps. See how easy it is? Yeah, Jesus just taught crass commercialism instead. And we need not have this alligator compound to avert economic suicide. On your first point... I am glad that we agree that horror is often required... On your second point... What is your evidence that Jesus was a real person historically? Where is your proof that he was not a mythological creation?
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 26 Posted August 26 10 minutes ago, sherpa said: Jesus never taught anything committing any nation to economic suicide, which is exactly what would happen if any nation refuses to enforce borders with reasonable immigration rights. The conjecture that he did if preposterous. There are some goodies here: https://authentictheology.com/2019/07/06/10-bible-verses-on-welcoming-immigrants-treating-them-well/
The Frankish Reich Posted August 26 Posted August 26 Being the Voice of Reason here is not something I chose; it became my duty. And the Voice of Reason sez: We can argue about WJWDoWND (What Jesus Would or Would Not Do). And enforcing borders and immigration is one of those things that Jesus may just have left to the government. But I do know Jesus would like to see all people - all his brothers - treated humanely and with dignity. Even if they are being deported, and even if they are criminals who are being deported. 2 1
JDHillFan Posted August 26 Posted August 26 5 minutes ago, Roundybout said: I’ve explained my side before. You have ignored every point in favor of idiotic ad hominems and studies you don’t even read. There is no point in continuing the discussion because you simply don’t argue in good faith and never will. I have my suspicions as to why. Your “side” is that it’s OK for 13 year-olds to have their bodies irreparably altered if the “experts” say it’s OK. My position is that that is an abomination. One that history will condemn. My position is also that if you are an adult and want to chop your body up trying to become something you are not, have at it. Fire away, don’t let anything stop you. “experts” once recommended lobotomies. keep telling yourself that it’s you that’s the good Christian 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Being the Voice of Reason here is not something I chose; it became my duty. And the Voice of Reason sez: We can argue about WJWDoWND (What Jesus Would or Would Not Do). And enforcing borders and immigration is one of those things that Jesus may just have left to the government. But I do know Jesus would like to see all people - all his brothers - treated humanely and with dignity. Even if they are being deported, and even if they are criminals who are being deported. Except for those people that entered the capital on J6. Obviously.
The Frankish Reich Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, JDHillFan said: Your “side” is that it’s OK for 13 year-olds to have their bodies irreparably altered if the “experts” say it’s OK. My position is that that is an abomination. One that history will condemn. My position is also that if you are an adult and want to chop your body up trying to become something you are not, have at it. Fire away, don’t let anything stop you. “experts” once recommended lobotomies. keep telling yourself that it’s you that’s the good Christian Except for those people that entered the capital on J6. Obviously. Did I ever say they shouldn't be treated humanely? Of course I believed they were properly prosecuted, but I wasn't in favor of sending them to Alligator Alcatraz or Uganda or whatever. 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 26 Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Being the Voice of Reason here is not something I chose; it became my duty. And the Voice of Reason sez: We can argue about WJWDoWND (What Jesus Would or Would Not Do). And enforcing borders and immigration is one of those things that Jesus may just have left to the government. But I do know Jesus would like to see all people - all his brothers - treated humanely and with dignity. Even if they are being deported, and even if they are criminals who are being deported. I think he would speak out against it. At a minimum he'd use the abusers in a lesson about how not to be. 1 1
JDHillFan Posted August 26 Posted August 26 3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Did I ever say they shouldn't be treated humanely? Of course I believed they were properly prosecuted, but I wasn't in favor of sending them to Alligator Alcatraz or Uganda or whatever. On 1/10/2025 at 12:22 PM, The Frankish Reich said: He and Ashli Babbit will make a fine couple in hell. I guess I read too much into this. My apologies.
The Frankish Reich Posted August 26 Posted August 26 1 minute ago, JDHillFan said: I guess I read too much into this. My apologies. She was treated humanely. One perfect kill shot. Instant death. Isn't that what the Trumpy gun nuts preach?
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: She was treated humanely. One perfect kill shot. Instant death. Isn't that what the Trumpy gun nuts preach? Your support of violence is appreciated...
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Author Posted August 26 17 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: Being the Voice of Reason here is not something I chose; it became my duty. And the Voice of Reason sez: We can argue about WJWDoWND (What Jesus Would or Would Not Do). And enforcing borders and immigration is one of those things that Jesus may just have left to the government. But I do know Jesus would like to see all people - all his brothers - treated humanely and with dignity. Even if they are being deported, and even if they are criminals who are being deported. Winner winner chicken dinner. This is the point.
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 13 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I think he would speak out against it. At a minimum he'd use the abusers in a lesson about how not to be. 2 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Winner winner chicken dinner. This is the point.
LeviF Posted August 26 Posted August 26 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wolfgang said: On your first point... I am glad that we agree that horror is often required... On your second point... What is your evidence that Jesus was a real person historically? Where is your proof that he was not a mythological creation? Look, I don't have any real skin in the religion game, but this is one of the things that easily reveals a pagan/atheist as ignorant at best, and a nitwit at worst. Jesus of Nazareth is one of the most well-attested historical figures of the region and time in which he lived, both in Christian and non-Christian sources. There are vanishingly few influential scholars, Christian or otherwise, who would argue that there was no historical Jesus of Nazareth. Bart Ehrman is probably the foremost of the American New Testament critics and characterizes Jesus mythicism as the flip side of the same coin on which snake-handling fundamentalism is printed. Edited August 26 by LeviF
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 11 minutes ago, LeviF said: Look, I don't have any real skin in the religion game, but this is one of the things that easily reveals a pagan/atheist as ignorant at best, and a nitwit at worst. Jesus of Nazareth is one of the most well-attested historical figures of the region and time in which he lived, both in Christian and non-Christian sources. There are vanishingly few influential scholars, Christian or otherwise, who would argue that there was no historical Jesus of Nazareth. Bart Ehrman is probably the foremost of the American New Testament critics and characterizes Jesus mythicism as the flip side of the same coin on which snake-handling fundamentalism is printed. You are free to believe whatever you like... The Catholic Church has no fear of committing fraud, or engaging in profound paganism... To support their long term political plans... The Shroud of Turin is exhibit A of their need to lie...
sherpa Posted August 26 Posted August 26 30 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: You are free to believe whatever you like... The Catholic Church has no fear of committing fraud, or engaging in profound paganism... The Catholic Church is not Jesus. There is clear historical, non Biblical evidence of this. Do your own work. Don't ask others. 1
Wolfgang Posted August 26 Posted August 26 6 minutes ago, sherpa said: The Catholic Church is not Jesus. There is clear historical, non Biblical evidence of this. Do your own work. Don't ask others. You are free to believe whatever religious nonsense you like... I've done my own work, which is why I asked C section a question that I knew he would not answer... I have no need to ask you anything about anything... You've bought into the ethnic cleansing project underway in Israel as we speak... But perhaps you have a Biblical reference you can share to justify what the majority of the world is quite disgusted by... You and C section are made for each other... Suckers for propaganda that you feel gives you a false sense of the moral high ground in yet another mindless thread meant to go no where...
SectionC3 Posted August 26 Author Posted August 26 1 hour ago, Wolfgang said: You are free to believe whatever you like... The Catholic Church has no fear of committing fraud, or engaging in profound paganism... To support their long term political plans... The Shroud of Turin is exhibit A of their need to lie... I won’t argue with that, but the Church is not Jesús and the fallibility of man shall not shake my faith.
AlBUNDY4TDS Posted August 26 Posted August 26 7 minutes ago, Wolfgang said: The al Jazeera " journalists "?
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