Trump Declares War on The Drug Cartels--US Military to fight druggies

[LDD]

4 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

That would require Congress to actually convene and do something.

So, what do you think it means for our country if Trump just decides to start dropping bombs inside Venezuela at military targets?  That would obviously be the start of a war by most acceptable definitions.  

[Wolfgang]

2 minutes ago, LDD said:

So, what do you think it means for our country if Trump just decides to start dropping bombs inside Venezuela at military targets?  That would obviously be the start of a war by most acceptable definitions.  

 

 

 

Venezuela (Maduro) shouldn't have assisted in the theft of the 2020 presidential election...

 

Now, it's payback...

 

Serbia is on the list too...

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

10 minutes ago, LDD said:

So, what do you think it means for our country if Trump just decides to start dropping bombs inside Venezuela at military targets?  That would obviously be the start of a war by most acceptable definitions.  

Boats don't drive on land.

 

Glad I could help.

[sherpa]

Rumors are rumors.

Why would the US attack "military targets" in Venezuela?

 

[LDD]

17 minutes ago, sherpa said:

Rumors are rumors.

Why would the US attack "military targets" in Venezuela?

 

Right, no clue.  Why would we have a carrier group in the region to blow up go fasts?  

[All_Pro_Bills]

29 minutes ago, LDD said:

So, what do you think it means for our country if Trump just decides to start dropping bombs inside Venezuela at military targets?  That would obviously be the start of a war by most acceptable definitions.  

I personally don't think its a good idea at the moment and if something happens I expect we'll hear a lot of protestations and some demonstrations about the action which eventually will result in nothing. As a subplot to the war on drugs it seems that Mexico and Columbia are higher up on the food chain than Venezuela but given the US has closer relations to the two there are more political complications to acting against those nations.  

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, LDD said:

Right, no clue.  Why would we have a carrier group in the region to blow up go fasts?  

 

Carriers are a signal.

If it fits the carrier and airwing schedule for workups, why not?

Cruise in the area to let them know we care.

But, the point is, I have no idea why we would ever strike Venezuelan military targets on terra firma. 

 

[milfandcookies]

Blow em all up! Let’s rollllll

[sherpa]

9 minutes ago, milfandcookies said:

Blow em all up! Let’s rollllll

is there any evidence of this intent?

[The Frankish Reich]

27 minutes ago, sherpa said:

But, the point is, I have no idea why we would ever strike Venezuelan military targets on terra firma. 

Isn't Venezuela just a bigger Panama c. 1989?

It actually surprises me that the US hasn't acted against Venezuela for all these years of their provocations.

I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying that it would be in line with US military actions throughout Cold War and post-Cold War history, and Trump's apparent new love of the Monroe Doctrine.

[milfandcookies]

33 minutes ago, sherpa said:

is there any evidence of this intent?

what?

[LDD]

2 hours ago, Wolfgang said:

 

 

 

Venezuela (Maduro) shouldn't have assisted in the theft of the 2020 presidential election...

 

Now, it's payback...

 

Serbia is on the list too...

Never heard that one before.  Can you explain?

[The Frankish Reich]

I kind of thought a US military action against Venezuela was coming back in Trump 1.0. He had recognized the government in exile of Juan Guaido (I had to look up his name; that's how forgotten he is). We had the international law basis - Guaido could ask for military assistance to eject the "false president" Maduro's government - and it looked like that's how it was setting up.

 

I think concern about the price of oil probably killed that. Now that doesn't seem to be particularly important, with oil prices down so much that it's disincentivizing US drilling. And we just had that bizarre "we are authorizing covert CIA action in Venezuela" statement.

 

Bay of Pigs (covert op)? Or Operation Just Cause (overt Panama op under Bush 41). If forced to choose, I know which one worked.

[yall]

22 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Isn't Venezuela just a bigger Panama c. 1989?

It actually surprises me that the US hasn't acted against Venezuela for all these years of their provocations.

I'm not saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying that it would be in line with US military actions throughout Cold War and post-Cold War history, and Trump's apparent new love of the Monroe Doctrine.

Panama declared war on the US and murdered a marine.

 

Granted we were gearing up for something anyways, but that definitely pushed it over the edge. 

 

I doubt Maduro is going to do anything stupid that will force our hand.

[sherpa]

5 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

 

I think concern about the price of oil probably killed that. Now that doesn't seem to be particularly important, with oil prices down so much that it's disincentivizing US drilling. And we just had that bizarre "we are authorizing covert CIA action in Venezuela" statement.

 

 

First, take oil out of the equation.

We really don't need their high sulfur oil.\

 

Second, this nonsense about the CIA.

Think about this.

If the US was going to operate a significant CIA operation in a foreign country, do you think they'd announce it?

Absolutely not.

It is a ridiculous conclusion.

 

This is a signal, as have the boat strikes.

The message is that we have intel that lets us know what you are doing and when, and we intend to eliminate you if you operate.

All meant to dissuade folks from engaging in drug smuggling into the US.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 minutes ago, sherpa said:

This is a signal, as have the boat strikes.

The message is that we have intel that lets us know what you are doing and when, and we intend to eliminate you if you operate.

All meant to dissuade folks from engaging in drug smuggling into the US.

Part of it, no doubt.

But this is going way beyond signaling. 

There's really no way to disincentive Maduro's government/military from engaging in drug smuggling; this is what they do, and this is what keeps them in power. It is a pure kleptocracy.

[sherpa]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Part of it, no doubt.

But this is going way beyond signaling. 

There's really no way to disincentive Maduro's government/military from engaging in drug smuggling; this is what they do, and this is what keeps them in power. It is a pure kleptocracy.

 

Perhaps.

But smuggling is done on an individual basis decision.

Being vaporized in the Carib is probably not worth the payoff.

Either way, my point is that we are letting them know we will kill them, and I really doubt there is is any US interest in a strike at the Venezuelan mainland.

Makes no sense.

[Homelander]

She is not bright.