yall Posted July 5 Posted July 5 45 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: It's hardly a myth that colleges and employers have used systems of racial preference. One obvious clue is their fight against the elimination of such preferences. Another is acceptance of candidates with lower academic credentials being accepted over those with higher performance. Interestingly and perhaps unintentionally, Asians are harmed by this reverse-discrimination more than Whites. I didn't happen this one time so it can't be true.
B-Man Posted July 5 Posted July 5 Well then he is not smart enough to be mayor. Everyone knows the difference between the "Race" check box and the "Place of Birth" check box 1
ScotSHO Posted July 5 Posted July 5 Our favorite overly verbose Kay Adams person must be teeming with anger right now. That's her comrade, how dare you besmirch the head of the people's republic of NYC. 1
Big Blitz Posted July 5 Author Posted July 5 (edited) Wow. He did actually tweet that video. Pure human garbage. Imagine if Trump did this. You commies are a joke. Edited July 5 by Big Blitz 1
ComradeKayAdams Posted July 5 Posted July 5 13 hours ago, Thurmal34 said: Reagan conservatism is dead. Reagan conservatism is not yet dead, unfortunately. It merely metamorphosized and MAGA metastasized to other American demographics. I do believe, however, that the meteoric rise of Zohran Mamdani’s campaign is a harbinger of Reaganism’s ultimate fate: an expiration date inextricably linked with the physical health of the Boomery MAGA crowd obstinately peddling it. The essence of Zohran’s campaign is convincing NYC’s working class that almost half a century of policies promoting upward wealth redistribution is not in their own best interests. A longstanding economic climate of trickle-down economics, dangerous deregulatory practices, anti-union laws, dismantlement of the social safety net, and the like has created the miasma of urban unaffordability. A democratic socialist would (rightly) call this “wealth theft.” Zohran’s plans to help reverse that redistributive trend (fare-free city buses, 5 government-run grocery stores, $30 by ’30 minimum wage increases, public assistance for childcare, circumstantial rent freezes and public housing options, etc.) are incredibly mild and not remotely commensurate with the national outrage. Not even 11 full days following the decisive primary victory, the collective oppositional response to Zohran’s very modest intrusions into laissez-faire economics has been both pathetic and predictable. Oh, let’s review the myriad ways in which this flustered cohort of right-wingers and establishments lefties are flailing… 1. 1950’s McCarthyism redux: Raising the marginal tax rate a couple percentage points for the highest income bracket, apparently, is some sort of clarion call to the resurrected corpses of Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin. 2. 2000’s Islamophobia redux: Jihad! Intifada! Scary Arabic words are scary and Arabic! 3. Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism conflations: The desperation of discourse has so degraded to the point that Zionists are now using “anti-colonialists” as a slur LOL… 4. Anti-immigrant rhetoric: This is where the white MAGA nationalists really expose themselves. The bulk of Zohran’s support is actually coming from white people, and the “dangerously high” percentage of foreign-born NYC’ers isn’t any different than it was a century ago when immigrants were predominantly European (~35-40%). 5. Freeloader accusations: Voters in support of Zohran are mostly found among the higher economic brackets, minus the sociopathic corporate CEO’s and the downtown Gordon Gekko degenerates. Nevertheless, market-based counters to all the “whining” about costs of living and stagnant socioeconomic mobility have so far come in the form of recommendations to stop being so lazy and instead add on night shifts at Walmart and what not…because nothing screams “effective campaigning” quite like trivializing the concerns of the voters… 6. Reverse ageism: The relative youth of Zohran’s voters is being held against his campaign. This means nothing to me, personally, because I value wisdom and not necessarily age. In fact, I have seen little evidence supporting the adage that wisdom accompanies age. See: middle-aged and Boomery MAGA denizens of this forum. 7. Character assassination: Any attempts at questioning Zohran’s integrity are laughable, really, when you juxtapose his with that of his opponent, Eric Adams. 8. Economic illiteracy accusations: Whatever. I scoff at right-wingers and neoliberal dullards who slavishly follow axiomatic economics to the exclusion of data-driven economics. Kay Adams Fun Fact: understanding the practical importance of saving and investing in life has ZERO relevance to understanding the academic field of macroeconomics. 9. Random misogyny: Oh noes!! The childless yuppy cat lady Zohrandinistas are destroying the city and the country! Eeek!!! El. Oh. El. Not. A. F*ck. We. Have. To. Give. In the spirit of EmRata, I shall order my “Hot Girls for Zohran” t-shirt, wear it in the form of a crop top to show off my flat summer tummy, and post it on Instagram so that all the Strong Island finance bros can respond and cry about the downfall of Western civilization.
Big Blitz Posted July 5 Author Posted July 5 5 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Not even 11 full days following the decisive primary victory, the collective oppositional response to Zohran’s very modest intrusions into laissez-faire economics has been both pathetic and predictable. This is a lie. It’s not modest. But if all these “ideas” are so great and your illusion we’ve been laissez faire (once maybe in the 1880s) which you think is a disaster, then why stop at modest? Go full blown Venezuela. That is the goal. So spare us this “modest” crap. He’s actually saying things like this: Modest. Unbelievable.
Buffarukus Posted July 5 Posted July 5 3 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Reagan conservatism is not yet dead, unfortunately. It merely metamorphosized and MAGA metastasized to other American demographics. I do believe, however, that the meteoric rise of Zohran Mamdani’s campaign is a harbinger of Reaganism’s ultimate fate: an expiration date inextricably linked with the physical health of the Boomery MAGA crowd obstinately peddling it. The essence of Zohran’s campaign is convincing NYC’s working class that almost half a century of policies promoting upward wealth redistribution is not in their own best interests. A longstanding economic climate of trickle-down economics, dangerous deregulatory practices, anti-union laws, dismantlement of the social safety net, and the like has created the miasma of urban unaffordability. A democratic socialist would (rightly) call this “wealth theft.” Zohran’s plans to help reverse that redistributive trend (fare-free city buses, 5 government-run grocery stores, $30 by ’30 minimum wage increases, public assistance for childcare, circumstantial rent freezes and public housing options, etc.) are incredibly mild and not remotely commensurate with the national outrage. Not even 11 full days following the decisive primary victory, the collective oppositional response to Zohran’s very modest intrusions into laissez-faire economics has been both pathetic and predictable. Oh, let’s review the myriad ways in which this flustered cohort of right-wingers and establishments lefties are flailing… 1. 1950’s McCarthyism redux: Raising the marginal tax rate a couple percentage points for the highest income bracket, apparently, is some sort of clarion call to the resurrected corpses of Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin. 2. 2000’s Islamophobia redux: Jihad! Intifada! Scary Arabic words are scary and Arabic! 3. Anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism conflations: The desperation of discourse has so degraded to the point that Zionists are now using “anti-colonialists” as a slur LOL… 4. Anti-immigrant rhetoric: This is where the white MAGA nationalists really expose themselves. The bulk of Zohran’s support is actually coming from white people, and the “dangerously high” percentage of foreign-born NYC’ers isn’t any different than it was a century ago when immigrants were predominantly European (~35-40%). 5. Freeloader accusations: Voters in support of Zohran are mostly found among the higher economic brackets, minus the sociopathic corporate CEO’s and the downtown Gordon Gekko degenerates. Nevertheless, market-based counters to all the “whining” about costs of living and stagnant socioeconomic mobility have so far come in the form of recommendations to stop being so lazy and instead add on night shifts at Walmart and what not…because nothing screams “effective campaigning” quite like trivializing the concerns of the voters… 6. Reverse ageism: The relative youth of Zohran’s voters is being held against his campaign. This means nothing to me, personally, because I value wisdom and not necessarily age. In fact, I have seen little evidence supporting the adage that wisdom accompanies age. See: middle-aged and Boomery MAGA denizens of this forum. 7. Character assassination: Any attempts at questioning Zohran’s integrity are laughable, really, when you juxtapose his with that of his opponent, Eric Adams. 8. Economic illiteracy accusations: Whatever. I scoff at right-wingers and neoliberal dullards who slavishly follow axiomatic economics to the exclusion of data-driven economics. Kay Adams Fun Fact: understanding the practical importance of saving and investing in life has ZERO relevance to understanding the academic field of macroeconomics. 9. Random misogyny: Oh noes!! The childless yuppy cat lady Zohrandinistas are destroying the city and the country! Eeek!!! El. Oh. El. Not. A. F*ck. We. Have. To. Give. In the spirit of EmRata, I shall order my “Hot Girls for Zohran” t-shirt, wear it in the form of a crop top to show off my flat summer tummy, and post it on Instagram so that all the Strong Island finance bros can respond and cry about the downfall of Western civilization. It's kinda strange how you frame some things in terms of Reaganism’s, Maga yet the laws and regulations that have led to the issues you outline about the city have been in dominate democrat control since the late 80's and are probably already more in line with what you want to see then a moderate city/state Either way we got to blame someone because it definitely can't be the policies that were put into place from each administration that were more left then the last, its because they just didn't go far enough. Im sure when these policies don't work it's because you can't tippy toe with free bus rides and gov stores. Vote for me so I can implement socialism properly. I mean the more left you go the more successful the city. It is why all Americans are demanding to model their policies off the great liberal successes shown by San Francisco ect.
ComradeKayAdams Posted July 6 Posted July 6 21 hours ago, Big Blitz said: This is a lie. It’s not modest. But if all these “ideas” are so great and your illusion we’ve been laissez faire (once maybe in the 1880s) which you think is a disaster, then why stop at modest? Go full blown Venezuela. That is the goal. So spare us this “modest” crap. He’s actually saying things like this: Modest. Unbelievable. They are “modest” policies in the sense that they are well-supported in the international macroeconomics research literature. The public grocery stores idea is Zohran’s only one that would be classified in Europe as an example of socialism. If you are so perturbed by the thought of government owning the means of production for 5 NYC grocery stores, then consider redirecting your ire towards your precious free markets that created the urban food desert conditions in the first place. “Laissez-faire” was a hyperbolic remark meant to characterize this post-1970’s era of neoliberalism. It would be perfectly reasonable to characterize the historical American economy as laissez-faire all the way up through the Gilded Age. Neoliberalism, for the record, is economically sub-optimal and leads to middle class degradation, working class immiseration, and massive political instability. Laissez-faire economics, for the record, is even worse and includes all the above plus outrageous human rights violations, widespread ecosystem destruction, and intolerably deep and lengthy busts in the natural boom-bust cycles. You’re not averse to hyperbole yourself, as evidenced by your Venezuela remark. Do you have even the slightest clue as to how authoritarian socialism in Venezuela came about, or why socialism specifically failed in that country?? How about a step-by-step outline of the political process in which a city mayor can go from 5 public grocery stores to the complete seizure of the means of production for every bodega (and every private business, in general) in every borough?? 18 hours ago, Buffarukus said: It's kinda strange how you frame some things in terms of Reaganism’s, Maga yet the laws and regulations that have led to the issues you outline about the city have been in dominate democrat control since the late 80's and are probably already more in line with what you want to see then a moderate city/state Either way we got to blame someone because it definitely can't be the policies that were put into place from each administration that were more left then the last, its because they just didn't go far enough. Im sure when these policies don't work it's because you can't tippy toe with free bus rides and gov stores. Vote for me so I can implement socialism properly. I mean the more left you go the more successful the city. It is why all Americans are demanding to model their policies off the great liberal successes shown by San Francisco ect. Your attacks are all over the place. First, clarify the problem. We are discussing urban affordability for lower and middle classes, which comes down to a discussion of wages versus cost of living (food, housing, transportation, utilities, education, health care) and other economic subtractions (various forms of taxation, inflationary effects). Next, figure out the approximate allocation of responsibility and blame. Surely you understand how local politicians are limited in the extent that they can affect the aforementioned economic factors, compared to state and national politicians? Do you also understand how little political power the actual far left has and has historically had, relative to the establishment left and to right-wingers? Recall one of the most basic definitions of the far left: no acceptance of corporate/big-money campaign donations. NYC hasn’t had a far-left mayor in the ideological vicinity of Zohran since La Guardia (though de Blasio admittedly did a few good things that were progressive). Okay, so NOW you can begin to fairly assess the culpability of local far-left politicians with regard to the aforementioned economic factors. I’m a reasonable person and could concede frivolous far-left regulations and wasteful far-left spending here and there, but it would be absolutely LAUGHABLE to blame the big-ticket items (especially wage growth and health care expenditures) on far-left politicians and not neoliberal ones! It’s genuinely shocking to see the lengths you PPP’ers go to defend corporate oligarchical empowerment. You’re okay with your tax dollars going to low-wage workers when they have to subsist on food stamps, yet you scream “Communism!” at the thought of raising taxes proportionately on the billionaires who won’t pay these low-wage workers higher wages…
Big Blitz Posted July 6 Author Posted July 6 27 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: You’re not averse to hyperbole yourself, as evidenced by your Venezuela remark. Do you have even the slightest clue as to how authoritarian socialism in Venezuela came about, or why socialism specifically failed in that country?? Yes. And it can happen here. 27 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: How about a step-by-step outline of the political process in which a city mayor can go from 5 public grocery stores to the complete seizure of the means of production for every bodega (and every private business, in general) in every borough?? You tell us. He’s running on that. Is he a liar? Being the centerpiece of his campaign, seems like this should be disqualifying. 27 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Your attacks are all over the place. First, clarify the problem. He’s a communist. 27 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: We are discussing Why NYC is a disaster. 27 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Next, figure out the approximate allocation of responsibility and blame. The Democrats that run it. 27 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Surely you understand how local politicians are limited in the extent that they can affect the aforementioned economic factors, compared to state and national politicians? Do you also understand how little political power the actual far left has and has historically had, relative to the establishment left and to right-wingers? Recall one of the most basic definitions of the far left: no acceptance of corporate/big-money campaign donations. NYC hasn’t had a far-left mayor in the ideological vicinity of Zohran since La Guardia (though de Blasio admittedly did a few good things that were progressive). de Blasio was terrible. 27 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: Okay, so NOW you can begin to fairly assess the culpability of local far-left politicians with regard to the aforementioned economic factors. I’m a reasonable person and could concede frivolous far-left regulations and wasteful far-left spending here and there, but it would be absolutely LAUGHABLE to blame the big-ticket items (especially wage growth and health care expenditures) on far-left politicians and not neoliberal ones! DOGE it all. You can’t. So the city is F ed anyway. Let’s not use it to prop up the new communist Democrat party in the U.S. More on that below. Fund the police. End restorative justice in the schools. Allow ICE to do its job. 27 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said: It’s genuinely shocking to see the lengths you PPP’ers go to defend corporate oligarchical empowerment. You’re okay with your tax dollars going to low-wage workers when they have to subsist on food stamps, yet you scream “Communism!” at the thought of raising taxes proportionately on the billionaires who won’t pay these low-wage workers higher wages… Sounds like you should support the tariff regime for this very reason. Venezuela can happen here - but it will take the Courts to become filled with communists. And that starts with the Democrats - that will soon be embracing full on nationalization… We’re extraordinarily close to that. https://www.cfr.org/timeline/venezuelas-chavez-era 1
Buffarukus Posted July 7 Posted July 7 (edited) On 7/6/2025 at 12:00 PM, ComradeKayAdams said: Your attacks are all over the place. First, clarify the problem. We are discussing urban affordability for lower and middle classes, which comes down to a discussion of wages versus cost of living (food, housing, transportation, utilities, education, health care) and other economic subtractions (various forms of taxation, inflationary effects). Attacks? I thought you were a semi regular here and you construed what I said as attacks? We can talk about urban affordability if you like. My main point was that humans are tribal. Right now there is a red and blue tribe. When someone looks at issues, such as urban affordability, the first reaction is to try to find out how the "others" are to blame. In this particular instance the blue team has had a major hand for DECADES in what shaped these issues. while some red team was sprinkled on top ( you go back to reaganomics and reactions) it seems pretty distant from causation. We need a sub group. lets call them neoliberal. it makes more sense to say the neoliberals are to blame as they control all levers of power. So now more progressive policies are the way to go. AKA they just haven't gone left enough. I'd like to be convinced but something tells me all the progressive laws passed in San Fransico, Portland ect ect since they are the prime examples when looking for evidence of its successful implementation. Im just not seeing the platform out performing the two other groups and are realistically causing major issues on their own. Homelessness, drug addiction, buisness abandonment, high crime and urban affordability all exist and are thriving in the most progressive areas of the country. On 7/6/2025 at 12:00 PM, ComradeKayAdams said: Next, figure out the approximate allocation of responsibility and blame. Surely you understand how local politicians are limited in the extent that they can affect the aforementioned economic factors, compared to state and national politicians? Do you also understand how little political power the actual far left has and has historically had, relative to the establishment left and to right-wingers? Recall one of the most basic definitions of the far left: no acceptance of corporate/big-money campaign donations. NYC hasn’t had a far-left mayor in the ideological vicinity of Zohran since La Guardia (though de Blasio admittedly did a few good things that were progressive). Sure, lets look at the most recent one. Covid response. Close down buisnesses, don't leave and we will pay you with free money. Thats was a pretty progressive response. I'd say it was the exact way a progressive would like to handle the situation and clear distant from what the fed decided for a decent timeframe. Did this policy do anything to determine urban affordability? Create food deserts from small buisness that had to close for good while the wallmarts stayed open? We could go into the progressive voter base and how gentrification has effected "affordability" when corner family owned turn into starbucks and high end boutiques. The BLM riot response was another recent factor that effected small buisnesses/workers who could not rebuild, but large insurance premiums dont effect big scale much. What was AOC progressive stance on these things? Are these adequate in how they effected the variety, competition and inflation for New York city shoppers that had nothing to do with federal policy? On 7/6/2025 at 12:00 PM, ComradeKayAdams said: Okay, so NOW you can begin to fairly assess the culpability of local far-left politicians with regard to the aforementioned economic factors. I’m a reasonable person and could concede frivolous far-left regulations and wasteful far-left spending here and there, but it would be absolutely LAUGHABLE to blame the big-ticket items (especially wage growth and health care expenditures) on far-left politicians and not neoliberal ones! It’s genuinely shocking to see the lengths you PPP’ers go to defend corporate oligarchical empowerment. You’re okay with your tax dollars going to low-wage workers when they have to subsist on food stamps, yet you scream “Communism!” at the thought of raising taxes proportionately on the billionaires who won’t pay these low-wage workers higher wages… From my perspective, being in NY, I see alot of big ticket progressive policies. PFL/ FMLA has taken over industries. My company calculates over 40% of our workforce will be off on it this year. Believe it or not it's not easy filling orders and keeping doors open when you don't know who will be coming to work on a day to day basis. I know its evil to look at things from the capitalist perspective but they play half the role in employment. I dont defend "corporate origarchial empowerment". I am just a realist that has a understanding that taxing people and giving it away isn't the big solution that progressives think it is. NY taxes EVERYTHING already. They have raised min wage numerous times. They also have A TON of corruption from regular people abusing and siphoning that same system that progessives want to expand. That portion will never be addressed as it is not in line with the ideology. Anything that accuses that side as unempathetic will never be touched because ( insert example of someone who truley needs it as poster for everyone who gets it ). We can't even DOGE some clearly corrupt organizations without the left losing there minds and turning to a good old firebombing. but take MORE in and give MORE away will eventually work. I'd hope being a true progressive would mean more progress then just doing what's already being done to a level where our politicians are now flat out admitting to socialism. Its funny how giving the largest corporation in the world ( speaking of who is truley for their empowerment ) new exciting percentages to take from people and sees seizure of private buisnesses as a act progress. Edited July 8 by Buffarukus 1
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